You Ever Dance With the Devil?
by Sylvia Bond
Supernatural Episode Review – Season 7, Episode 15
“Repo Man”
This episode starts out with a wee flashback of four years ago in Coeur d’Alene, Idaho. With the general assumption that each Season is a “year” in Winchester time, that would put us at right about the middle of Season 3. Which would put us right about the time that Dean is in the throes of trying to convince Sam not to find a way out of his Deal with the crossroads demon. This puts us in line with some very terrible episodes, such as Long-Distance Call (Boring!), Red Sky at Morning (Stupid!), and Malleus Maleficarum (Boring and Stupid!), as well as some very excellent episodes such as Ghostfacers, AVery Supernatural Christmas, and the ever beloved Mystery Spot.
Evidently, as Sam indicates, four years ago the Winchester boys were concentrating on finding demons. Ostensibly to find out what they knew about the Deal that Dean made, but also because demons are evil and deserve to be destroyed. One thing of note is that the boys let a civilian, Nora, assist them in the hunt. I can’t recall why, at that point, she’d even be interested, maybe it was her Wiccan urges that led her to assist in the capture of the particular demon known as Jeffrey the Ex-Postal Worker, even though the Wiccans that I know don’t hold truck with no demons.
The “going postal” reference from Dean is not original, nor is it lost on me; postal workers have a straightforward job, but since the damn mail never stops coming, I imagine you might feel like you were being buried alive. Also interesting is the color of Sam’s hair. Somehow, back then, four years ago, it’s depicted as being as dark as the cedars of Lebanon and long enough to curl across Sam’s shoulders, but now, in the present, it’s fluffy and the color of sunwarmed mink. Yet, both the past and the present were filmed in the present, so how on earth did the Makeup Team manage that effect? Because I bought it, right down to Sam’s adorable hair follicles.
Another interesting point is the fact that while Sam cleans up the “crime scene,” Dean drives the newly exorcised Jeffrey to the hospital. Is this something they’ve done in the past? If so, I’ve never heard reference to it, no, “You remember the demon we pitched out of the Impala into the Emergency area and he nearly got run over by an ambulance?” Yet Dean acts as if this were an everyday thing, dropping of the human husks that he’s just beat the crap out of.
Jeffrey has suffered any number of contusions and cuts and bruises, and while he bleeds on the back seat, Dean enjoins him to say he was mugged or something similar. Dean then drops Jeffrey off with the aplomb of a parent dropping his kid off at a play date; Jeffrey’s wounds are his own to bear, although we, the viewer, are given a bird’s eye view of just how nasty would be the resultant wounds from a possession.
And it’s not just the physical wounds, one of which leave Jeffrey walking with a limp, it’s also the mental wounds. We find, in a dragging, over-talked, static scene between Jeffrey and Dean, that Jeffrey has suffered mightily. First there was him telling the truth, and sounding crazy, then there came the drinking, then the psych eval, and then incarceration, and the a group home with group therapy. The only interesting part about that scene was Dean’s familiarity with the pattern. He says that he’s had friends who’ve gone through the whole mess, but how many hypothetical friends can Dean possibly have? No, personally, I’d like to think that Dean himself was in group therapy for a time. Oh wait, he was, wasn’t he! Some episode, where both Sam and Dean were in the loonie bin, ah bliss.
Sam and Dean hole up in what Lucifer calls “a men’s room with beds,” and I’d say he’s got that one right. Lucifer mocks Sam and eats paint, and leans against the wall, and makes himself at home. Meanwhile, Dean is talking to Frank about Dick, and Sam, well, he’s trying to make the Hand Job work. Yes, that’s what I call it, the Hand Job. It’s the thing that he does when he presses his left thumb against his right palm,which was the one that was sliced open by glass. The pain keeps him grounded, as you’ll recall, but it seems to be losing its sting. Now when Sam does the Hand Job (which is a much better title than “the thing that Sam does with his hand to keep Lucifer at bay”), Lucifer might flicker, but he basically only goes away because he wants to.
Anyway, the motel is perfectly grotty, and Sam, for some reason, gets to say which gig they go on. What’s more, we are treated to the beautiful sight of BOTH boys sleeping under the covers, horrible green covers, and we get close-ups of their sleeping faces. Then the police scanner goes, and we get close-ups of them each opening their eyes. The camera is only on each sleeping/wide awake boy for a second or two,but it’s a damn sight more than Show has given us this season.
The boys hasten to the next crime scene, where, for once (and it’s about time) one of the investigators recognizes Sam and Dean. Unfortunately, he recognizes them under their old (and way obviously fake) ids, as those two drummer guys. As you know, Frank told the boys they were Mr. and Mr. Smith, no relation. What’s funny to me is that, in the background, Lucifer is trying to help Sam remember the guy’s name.Lucifer knows it’s “Sutton” and says so, but Sam pretends not to listen. This is his normal behavior, and I wouldn’t expect anything less, but compare it to what happens later as a perfect example of what happens when you separate Sam and Dean over and over again.
Eventually the boys visit Nora Harlock, who now runs a Wiccan website. As they enter her office/bookstore, she leads them around what she says is a freshly painted demon trap on the floor. Naturally, we’re supposed to suspect that the reason Nora doesn’t step on it is because she herself is a demon. I didn’t buy it, even though usually I’m quite gullible, because, as everyone knows, the real bad guy is never the most obvious one. But other than that, the scene was ordinary, and there was nothing significant said or done, especially not between Sam and Dean.
Back to Jeffrey, who has picked up a dog from the shelter; what a nice guy! He then, for some reason, limps down an alleyway because he heard a noise. Shouldn’t he be simply going home with his new pet? No! He’s foolish and gets jumped by Sam and Dean. What really cracked me up was the way they kept saying his name, “Jeffrey, Jeffrey, Jeffrey.” It reminded me of that Cosby routine, you know the one about the mother and small child aboard a flight that Cosby was on? Yeah, here’s the link, it’s a riot.
Even more amusing is that when they get back to Jeffrey’s place, Lucifer comes too, and makes himself at home on the arm of the sofa. When Sam attempts the Hand Job, Lucifer gets irritated and says, “Oh, don’t bother,” and leaves in the blink of an eye. Pelligrino sure makes Lucifer easy to relate to, somehow, with his snappy comments to Sam, when Sam delivers some over-used cliché, “Do you even ever listen to yourself?”
It’s at this point that Sam and Dean split up. Dean stays with Jeffrey and has the aforementioned boring conversation, and meanwhile, Sam goes to the library to eyeball the supposed next victim on the demon’s list. It’s a comfortable feeling seeing Sam in the library; he fits right in there, like he belongs. Of course, Lucifer is bored within seconds, and makes the hallucination that library patrons are bashing their heads on the tables. One or two Hand Jobs later, and Sam knows better. He’s really quite fetching when he’s annoyed like he is in this scene, wouldn’t you agree? It’s also fun watching him spy on the librarian and her hot, young lover, as they mack near the periodicals.
Just so you know, while Sam is at the library, Jeffrey manages to waylay Dean in a trap and, surprise, surprise, get him tied up in a chair! I know, shocker, right? Jeffrey needs the blood of the person who sent his demon to hell, because, oddly enough, that demon made Jeffrey feel powerful, so he wants him back. It’s a nice little twist on the usual, as most people don’t enjoy being possessed, but not so Jeffrey.
Meanwhile, Lucifer is both helpful and unhelpful to Sam. He starts talking about the case, and how Dean’s cellphones can’t both be not working, and then, as Sam and Lucifer walk to Jeffrey’s place, he gets Sam to actually talk to him and ask questions about what’s going on. Like I said, if Dean hadn’t gone off on his own, then Sam would have had Dean to talk to. Only now, all he’s got is this demon, who really, really wants to dance, as they say, in the pale moonlight with Sam.
Eventually, Lucifer and Sam go visit Nora, who, as you know, is a suspect. I love the moment when Sam gets all “tough” with her. He comes at her, pointing his finger, and just about growls as he says, “You should be a lot more scared of me because I’m two inches away from you and I can make you talk!” Except. Yeah, he kind of crouches down, and hunches his shoulders, almost as if he doesn’t mean it, because if hemeant it, he would have towered over her and said, “I’m two inches away from you and I can make you talk!” Otherwise, he’s just like a little kid who is threatening to hold his breath till he turns blue: “See me? I’m scary!!” Because as you know, if they have to tell you, they aren’t.
And then we find out that Nora was coerced by Jeffrey to help him raise his ex-demon; Jeffrey uses Nora’s kid as bait and everything, but that’s okay, because Sam and Nora crash the re-possession party. And do you know what stops the demon? Not Sam or Dean or Nora or anyone. What stops the demon is the demon trap that was already, somehow, painted on the ceiling. Now, I ask you, if you are Jeffrey, and you want to raise a demon so it will possess you, why on earth would you risk walking under a demon trap? It made no sense to me; your mileage may vary.
The end scene was one of my favorites this ep. In it, the boys go back to their grotty motel room, and Dean crashes, face down and fully clothed, on the bed. Sam says, “Are you going to sleep?” and Dean says something along the lines of “You betcha.” Entereth Lucifer, who proceeds to torment Sam with the idea that since Sam actually deigned to talk to Lucifer, it was as good as giving a vampire permission to cross your threshold. Sam let Lucifer in, and now Lucifer apparently can’t be shocked away by one of Sam’s Hand Jobs, plus he can push and prod and poke to his heart’s content.
He does one of those hallucinations of hellfire, which surround Sam with red and flickering lights. Two good things. One is, the abundance of close-ups of Sam’s troubled face, furrowed brow, ashrose lips. Ah, me, what a good looking man. Two is, the fact that although Sam is in torment, and the Hand Job isn’t working, and Dean is only two feet away (if that), and hardly yet asleep, Sam doesn’t wake him.
It’s not that he doesn’t think that Dean will believe him, right? Dean believed Sam before about Lucifer. And Dean would help him, you know he would. No, I think that Sam doesn’t wake Sam because he thinks he can handle this, and he doesn’t want to bother Dean. And, also, he probably doesn’t want to admit that he Let Lucifer In simply by participating in casual conversation.
There are some other parallels to sleeping with demons and having truck with demons, but to me, that’s the main point: Sam feels he’s on his own on this one, and frankly, with as little as we’ve been getting about Sam, I anticipate that this close-ups of Sam in his turmoil are pretty much about all we’re going to get. There are only a handful of eps left this season, maybe five, and the writers have done this before:Big Buildup about Sam, and then, whamo, we get dumped off a cliff. Poor Sam. Surrounded by hellfire, only inches away from his brother on a hotel bed, and his Hand Jobs are no longer effective. What’s a guy to do?

















Loved your review. I have seen a couple of explanations for the Devil’s Trap on the ceiling. They are all handwaving but have some potential. 1) Magic Bobby, who remains a ghost has moved from taking beer bottles and wafting paper to making Devil’s traps on ceilings, perhaps in the desire to be the Michelangelo of the ghost world. 2) Crowley, who figures the only hope against the Leviathans is the Winchesters and who is still mad a Jeffery’s demon for spilling state secrets back in the day, either invo painted the trap or painted it while waiting for Jeffery and Dean to show up at the warehouse. It was the place where the first summoning failed and Crowley does pay attention to details. 3) The Soap Angel is hanging around and drew it to protect his “friends” because is angel spidey senses just warned him.
Hey, thanks! It was written with love and a whole lot of antibiotics, which make me grouchy!
I don’t buy any of the handwaving, though the one with Crowley has some merit – he’d be aiming to get revenge and Dean did go on a great deal about how they made sure that Jeffrey’s demon spilled the beans about his bosses and Dean’s sure he won’t get away with it. It just seems odd, because Sam and Dean and Nora didn’t seem surprised that the demon’s trap was there, you know?
I do agree that Sam and Nora not being surprised by the DT was odd. There is a theory going around that this season isn’t real, but is Sam hallucinating after collapsing in 7.02, when the Leviathan put him into a coma. There is another theory that says that seasons 6 and 7 are all Sam’s dreams while he is in the Cage. These are out there because of continuity problems like “where did the Devil’s Trap come from?”. I don’t necessarily buy into them, but they would explain some of the wonkieness.
Frankly, if any of the show has to be not real, I’m rooting for everything past season three to be Dean’s dreams while in Hell. It would explain the intense Dean POV that has been in effect since season four and would also explain why Sam has become pretty pretty wallpaper for so long. Plus it would get rid of a certain angel, who I never want to see again.
Okay, I don’t think either theory is true, mostly because it would suddenly seem like a waste of several years of my devotion to the show, but the “this is just a dream” theory is out there and I will support anything that means Sam isn’t a demon blood addict, soulless vessel for Lucifer.
If it is all a dream, that would indeed be disappointing, because yeah, I’ve been devoted all this long while to a figment of Sam and/or Dean’s imagination?
Besides, it simply could not be that the Dean-centric (even when it’s “about” Sam, the camera is on Dean) cannot be excused by a plot devise – I put it down to sloppy one sided writing! Also, it’s not a given that even if it is a Sam dream that that mean’s he’s a soulless vessle for Lucifer. Besides, I miss Blood Addict Sam, because a little Soulless Sam is good for the, er, soul.
Re; the mysterious devils trap, when I saw the episode I just assumed that Sam and Nora put it there themselves. Neither one was surprised to see it, and we knew from earlier in the ep that Nora knew how to draw one. I agree though that this seems to be a problem with editing; a set up shot would have been good in this case. We didn’t need the “surprise” entrance of Sam and Nora at the last minute, we knew they were coming. I think it would have been better if we had been shown them sneaking into the warehouse while Jeffrey was going on and on, and watched them put the devils trap up on the ceiling.
Surprised the demon lacked enough awareness to spot one of them standing behind him on a step ladder holding a can of paint and a brush spending 10-15 minutes drawing elaborate doodles on the ceiling.
Jared did a great job in this episode. Mark Pellegrino stole just about every scene but Jared was generous and *let* him. =)
Loved Luci’s “He told me to shut up!” in that smitten way that he did—he certainly has a massive crush on our Sammy. He was so thrilled that Sam finally acknowledged him.
Jefferey dancing with the demon was creeeeeeepy. Dean’s expression as he watched made me cackle. Ugh!
As soon as the dog made its appearance I knew it wasn’t long for this world.
Let’s hope that it doesn’t become a ‘You didn’t tell me!’ and ‘I didn’t want to bother you, you’re falling apart at the seams!’ thing between the boys.
Or as you say, they could just drop the whole thing and hit the restart button. Guess we’ll have to wait and see in a few weeks.
PS) Did I miss your review from last week’s clown episode? I can’t find it! I’d love to hear what you have to say about it!
I’m sorry I wasn’t able to come up with anything last week, so you’ve not missed it. And why? 1) I was very sick and 2) Unicorns who fart rainbows? ; )
I’ll be writing a review for it anyway, during the time when there are repeats, which is over the next two weeks.
Hi Sylvia,
I hope you are feeling better. The unicorn that was farting rainbows was a shout out to season 2′s Houses of the Holy (one of my all time favorite sleeper episodes) when Dean says “Yeah, I hear unicorns ride on silver moonbeams and shoot rainbows out their ass!” to which Sam replies “wait, there’s no such thing as unicorns?” So, when it came to the actual unicorn in the clown ep, I thought it was rather funny.
You are so, so right. Jared was excellent in this and a gentleman, playing off Pelligrino so well and graciously that Pelligrino was able to almost steal the spotlight. He does such a brilliant job of making Lucifer relatable and almost adorable, which is quite a feat, considering.
And that poor dog, yes. I knew it couldn’t be good, Jeffrey is the last person they should give a dog to! I could barely watch, and like you, I saw it coming.
As for what will happen between the brothers….I went back and watched A Very Supernatural Christmas. And you know what? Back in Season 3, which had some clunkers, Sam and Dean not only worked cases together, they TALKED to each other about the case and about other things. They argued, and bitched and shared memories and glasses of eggnog. It made such a nice change from what we got in this ep, which is a whole lot of each of them looking the other way. Then I watched Ghostfacers, and we get Sam going “Let’s vacation at the Morton House, DEAN! This was supposed to be our Grand Canyon, you said, DEAN!” Oh for the old days.
Hi Sylvia!
Glad to see you back. I missed you last week.
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I only have time for a short post but I did want to drop by and let you know what I loved about this week’s episode.
1). Seriously, Mark Pellegrino is just sublime. He is delicious I say! He is creepy and scary and just reels me in whenever he is on the screen. I love the interaction between Mark and Jared. Kudos to both!
2). Grotty hotel room – This one in particular was just about perfect. :0)
3). Sam and Dean sleeping………… Yum!
4). I did enjoy the throwback feeling of this episode.
5). Sam doing research in the library
6). ” A men’s room with beds”
Oh, and Sylvia I have to give a shout out to your “hand job” reference. Perfect!
I have to get back to work now.
Take care
Joan
Dear Joan,
#1. Pelligrino is perfect in this role and he and Padalecki are very fun to watch together. I imagine offscreen, they chat over coffee to discuss the most effective use of their shared screen time together. Unlike Padalecki and Ackles, who share so little screen time, it’s not even worth a memo, sadly.
#2 and #3. It’s been a while since I so loved a motel room that the boys were in. Plus we got to see them IN bed, in T-shirts, sleeping AND waking up! It’s the little things you treasure.
#4. Throwback to the old Samhair, you mean. : D
#5. Sam in the library is a natural, and should happen more often.
#6. The scriptwriters were on with Pelligrino this ep, his sarcastic asides and bon mots were HIL-arious.
I’ll be writing the review for the previous clown/unicorn ep during the upcoming brief hiatus. But truly, what can one say about rainbow farting unicorns?
Regards,
Sylvia
I will confess, I about split a gut laughing when I realized what I’d written towards the end there. I made up “hand job” on the spur, and then…you know, Sam, sitting near his brother’s bed, and the hand job isn’t working, OMG. Is it wrong to think your own writing is very, very funny sometimes?
Dear Sylvia.
Your confession made me laugh out loud! :0) Oh the places my mind just went! I am blushing………Oh and it is not wrong to think your own writing is very, very funny sometimes.
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You are quite witty and should pat yourself on the back!
Now…onto the Clown Episode…I agree with you….what can one say about a unicorn farting rainbows. But, Jared was so freaking hilarious….I laughed a lot…….
Oh yes it was so nice seeing Jared and Jensen in-bed sleeping in T-shirts and waking up. It is the little things we do treasure. :0)
And I totally agree with you on the memo!
Until next time.
Take care.
Joan
I caught the djinn episode this morning on TNT and the little brotherly chit chat that they had in the motel room at the end while sitting on the beds stood out so much. It used to be a regular thing, but now they just don’t do that anymore. At the end of this week’s episode, I wanted so badly for Dean to pick up on Sam’s nervousness and ask him what was wrong—something he would’ve done in S1-S3. I wanted Sam to follow up his “You going to sleep?” with “I wish I could sleep….” or to crawl over and sit on Dean’s bed to bring attention to his predicament with Lucifer. It frustrates me terribly. I’d blame the boys but its the writers who make them do it. =)
Feel better soon!
As for the rainbow farting unicorn? There is a particular SPN gossip fan site that refers to Jensen as farting rainbows because he can do no wrong in the eyes of SPN fandom. Also, have you seen the mock up pictures of Jensen as a unicorn? He is aware of it and said that his wife Danneel showed it to him one day on the internet. I’m wondering if the writers were winking at the fans with that bit.
Here’s the Jensen unicorn picture:
http://i44.tinypic.com/m7hag.jpg
The lack of conversation between the brothers is tantamount to heresy and betrayal to all SPN fans, I don’t care which side of the blanket you roll on. Even if you favor another character over either brother, the brotherly interaction is what Show was built on. Just don’t go watch Everybody Loves a Clown, or Mystery Spot or anything in Season 3 or earlier or it’ll make you cry with the lost opportunity for brotherly conversations.
I love your suggestions. Sam SHOULD have sat on Dean’s bed and maybe whapped his head with a pillow to get him to listen…or Dean should have been more attentive when Sam asked him if he was sleeping. And why on earth was Dean so tired anyway? It’s not like he was up all night researching. He just got cut into a little bit and not even beat up at all. I’ve seen him walk away from worse, take a slug of whiskey and keep going. I blame the actors for not pushing back at the writers to include more brotherly conversation!
And yes, Jensen Ackles can do wrong. I, Sylvia Bond, who is an SPN fan, and write about it every week, can testify that yes, he makes mistakes. He is human, after all, isn’t he? Why, just this week, he almost flubbed it and DROPPED the cellphone on the ground when he was tossing it onto his duffle, which was on the bed.
Being almost godlike in reflexes, however, he caught it and tossed it back, making it look very natural. Which is what actors do.
Where he makes his mistake is when he he puts up with having to speak the most static and boring lines an actor can be called upon to recite. He’s got to say so many chestnuts and clunkers and faux-zingers, he can barely get through them. But get through them he does, with barely a twitch to his manly brow. He must get tired, sometimes, of having Dean have such dumb things to say. Well, this ep was pretty okay, except not much of what he had to say was TO Sam. So yes, Ackles makes mistakes – he should PUSH back for more interesting dialog for Dean, but he doesn’t. I mean, he’s got the chops and the clout, so why not take those for a spin and see what they can do?
I thought Dean was drugged which is why he was so tired.
Good point! I’d forgotten about that. : D
I didn’t watch this episode yet, as my download link didn’t work and then I was out of town for the Carnival holidays, but I see that once again the boys split up in an episode. I don’t get why the writers are doing that and honestly, it’s getting on my nerves. Sam is clearly losing it and as it is he may very well collapse and end up in some hospital without Dean even knowing it.
Speaking of Sam and his hallucinations, I can’t believe we’ve been denied Mark Pellegrino’s presence for the whole season. He’s delightful and makes every scene he is in a pleasure to watch. I neither share nor understand all the fuss about Castiel from the SPN fandom, but the enthusiasm for Lucifer is totally justifiable and I gladly share it. Besides, we haven’t had a decent bad guy in ages. YED, Zachariah, how I miss thee, let me count the ways.
As for Dean, he’s always been an awesome brother but he’s not without his mistakes. If he weren’t so obsessed with revenge he could pay a little more attention to what is happening to his brother before things get worse.
As for Dean, he’s always been an awesome brother but he’s not without his mistakes. If he weren’t so obsessed with revenge he could pay a little more attention to what is happening to his brother before things get worse.
The brothers have really done a switching of roles this season. Dean is the one now who is hell-bent on getting revenge (shades of Sam in S4) and Sam is left trying to keep his brother from going off the deep end while suffering with his own demons.
You’re right about the roles switch. But I never heard anyone say that Sam is “farting rainbows”. He made BIG mistakes, I know, but so did Castiel, and that didn’t hurt the fandom love for him in the least. For some reason, SPN fandom finds it harder to forgive Sam for anything than they do with other characters.
Other characters are easy to forgive they dont take anything from Dean . Castiel is allowed to make mistakes because Dean didnt raise him as he did Sam . Sam lived his life at Deans expense he went off at went to college and selfishly never stopped and thought about Dean.Sam is to blame for Deans issues .If Sam hadnt been born everything would of been different and Dean would of had a normal life.Sam has held Dean back .
Castiel came in and ‘ cared about Dean in a way Sam never has because Sam is self centred and only thinks about himself and has never appreciated Dean’ but the real reason is the way simply Sam has been written esp in seasons 4 and 5 selfish , wrong if he had never been born it goes on. Castiel was given a sympathetic pov Sam never has been , the show accused Sam without given him a voice.
I don’t intend to go the Sam vs Dean way, but there are certain things I can’t agree with. Was it so selfish of Sam wanting a different life and going after it? As I see it, the notion of selfishness here is relative. Isn’t it selfish of Dean wanting to keep his brother home because he, Dean, needs his family around him? Dean himself said that he was proud of Sam because Sam always knew what he wanted. Why he changed his mind after that and kept accusing Sam is beyond me. And I’m not sure I understand the meaning of Sam living his life “at Dean’s expense”. ??
As for Sam being unforgivable because he took something from Dean, well, the things he did leading to Lucifer’s release were more against himself (by corrupting his own body) and the humankind, for releasing the Devil into the world. Things for which, BTW, he never denied responsibility. He did betray Dean’s trust, that’s right, but so did Castiel. So I don’t know what the difference is.
No argument from me .There is no difference However I do believe the lack of Sam pov has done him damage but it cant go back and be changed sadly.
Forgivng Sam by some it seems is impossible while others do and try to understand.
Was it so selfish of Sam wanting a different life and going after it? As I see it, the notion of selfishness here is relative. Isn’t it selfish of Dean wanting to keep his brother home because he, Dean, needs his family around him?
No, Andrea, its not selfish, you’re right. As Sam himself said to Dean in “Bugs”, in the twisted Winchester family, him wanting to go to college made him an outcast–to which Dean compared him to cousin Marilyn in The Munsters. Later, he’d tell John “Most parents would be thrilled that their kid scored a full ride to college!”.
What ticked me off was in the episode this season with the little girl—the actress was Madison something…..—at any rate, Dean tells her about Sam having gone to Stanford and then he tells her “You could go to college.” Really Dean?! That really rubbed me wrong. It’s okay for her to go to college? He encourages her to go but gives Sam a hard time over and over for being selfish and abandoning his family to ‘run off to college’? Bah humbug!
Sam was so angry when Adam told him that John encouraged him to go to college and Dean sneered that Sam was just jealous. Uh, yeah Dean. I can’t believe the writers never let Sam accuse Dean of selfishness for dragging him back to hunting and continuing to make him feel guilty and crappy over ever leaving in the first place.
At least Meg (when she possesssed Sam) shouted at Dean (after he refused to shoot Sam) “Are you really so afraid of being alone??!!” He just didn’t want to hear it. I don’t think the writers for the past few seasons want to hear it either.
Beth,
Yeah, I felt that same thing when Dean told Krissy in that recent episode that she could have normal and go to college and used Sam as an example. Sheesh, talk about hypocrisy. He did that with Adam as well. He argued with Sam that Adam should go back to school and be normal, something that he never allowed Sam to either have or even want to have. It drives me crazy! Then all the fandom condemns Sam for wanting to leave the one hand and then not agreeing with Dean about Adam on the other. I would really love, love, love Dean to acknowledge this to Sam. He’s alluded to it to other people, but never to Sam.
But in a way Castiel took Sam from Dean when he broke Sam’s wall didn’t he? Shouldn’t that make the fandom a little less forgiving? Maybe it comes back to the argument ‘it’s Sam, so it doesn’t count.’
Sylvia:
Long time reader, first time poster, and male – yes, your appeal is not only with the fangirls!
Let me add to the chorus of praise for Mark Pelligrino, whom I have enjoyed ever since Dexter. My problem is that this whole “Sam was in a cage with Micheal & Lucifer” has been going on for nigh on 3 seasons now. Remember when they had each finale resolve the season-long plot? It feels like they’ve been dragging this one out far too long, and I wonder how much longer they plan to go with the series.
My question to you is, are you ready for them to end the series? If this is the last season, are you okay with it? It feels like it’s been flailing these last 2 seasons and as much as I enjoy the show, it feels like a really comfortable pair of shoes with no tread left, that soaks your socks in even the shallowest puddle.
I hope they either pay off the Sam & Lucifer plot this season or end the show, I don’t think they’ve lived up to the first 5 seasons. Some might say it’s hard to continue after the Biblical Apocalypse, and maybe it was stupid to try.
Welcome, male reader and first time poster, welcome, welcome, all are welcome.
I’m ready for them to end the series, for so many reasons, all of which I’ve talked about in the reviews for years.
I like your analogy of a pair of shoes with no tread left – they’ve been running far too long and never really stepped it up to join the Boston Marathon, let alone walk half of the Bolder Boulder. They’ve had some good eps this season, and really, each season, but they’ve set stories up, and story arcs (like who is in the cage and whatnot), without ever really finishing that up to Move On. If they’d moved on, they could have worked with all the interesting ideas that they set up for Sam, his psychosis and his guilt, and all that beautiful hair, just going to waste.
The Sam and Lucifer thing is the most interesting thing going and do you know why? Because it’s PERSONAL. It’s unique to the character, and it’s up close and in his face – that’s what viewers want. Who cares about the Big Mouths – it’s not personal, it’s not about Sam and Dean, and it doesn’t create any need for any connection between them. Which in my mind makes it boring as hell.
Lucifer, on the other hand, is all up in Sam’s grill. Sam is determined not to let it affect him, or bother his brother with it. So what would a good writer do at that point? Pity they don’t have any good writers on Show because they would already know that you set your darlings up and then you knock them over. They’ve set Sam up good and proper, now let’s knock him down, and let’s have him take Dean with him. What will save them in the end? Their love for each other.
Do they have to kiss? Well, yes they do – after all they’ve been through, at the end of it all, Dean needs to kiss Sam on the forehead, just like he did in The Pilot in Season 1, and forgive him. Kiss him goodnight, and say, “Night, Sammy.” Just like that.
P.S. In good writing circles, we call that closure. : D
Sylvia, you crack me up and make me feel I’m going to cry at the same time. What you say is so TRUE and I realize that will never happen because we just don’t have good writers any more. No Raelle Tucker, no Jeremy Carver, no Kathryn Humphries. No more brotherly bonding, only one brother here and the other over there, every episode. Ah, the Sadness!
The brotherly bond stuff went out the window when Kim Manners died. He totally ‘got’ the brothers.
I agree with Tina, that in this fandom, Jared does not fart rainbows. Sam (and Jared) are held up to high standards and excuses are made for Dean (and Jensen). It’s always been that way.
Recently, at NashCon, Jared mentioned that Castiel would have to redeem himself for what he’d done before the Winchesters would forgive him. Many of the Cas/Dean fans threw a fit. How dare Jared say that! How dare he say that Cas would need to put in some time to regain the brothers’ trust!
Meanwhile, Sam had to kiss everyone’s ass for 2 seasons (and is still trying to get Dean to completely trust him) and be the whipping boy for all of the main characters and secondary characters over the DemonBlood/Apocalypse deal. But Cas gets forgiven without question? It’s a perfect example of what this fandom thinks of Sam: not much (except for his dire fans-myself included!). He can rip down Sam’s wall and leave him like a vegetable and he’s forgiven because its just Sam. No biggie.
As much as I love the show, I agree that its really gotten lost in the past few seasons and it doesn’t look to be improving any time soon. I will miss it terribly if it goes, but I think it hurts more to see the shape its in now. =(
Totally agree with Beth. The Dean of old would be like “you touch my brother, you die”. Apparently, it doesn’t apply to Castiel.
Castiel pretty much ruined Sam for life and all we got from Dean was “Oh, I already lost Sam, don’t let me lose you too”. So romantic, but so unlike Sam’s loving big brother. That’s why I dislike this characer so strongly. Everything went the wrong way when he entered the story. Supernatural was never the same again.
WOW! I agree whole heartedly. The Lucifer story IS personal to Sam, and it would be/will be to Dean as well as soon as Sam fesses up. You know what story line is boring? Dean’s depression, that’s what. He’s been depressed, had low self esteem issues for going on five seasons now(I date this to the first time we heard him mention being tired and wanting to quit hunting in season 2′s Croatoan), and this story line has not changed one single bit in all that time. He drinks, he gets morose, he’s lost all his joy and snark. How about letting that tired old storyline go and give Dean something fun to do?
@BoGirlie: A lot of the fans are angry at Sam over the Dean depressed storyline. I think this is why he gets such a hard time in this fandom. If you read any of the comments after SPN articles are posted online, you will see a deluge of complaints from fans about how the season is “all about Sam” because Dean is depressed because of Sam and he’s worried all the time about Sam and he’s drinking because of Sam and yadda yadda yadda. The writers have done no favors for either the Sam or Dean character with this tired old DepressedDean! storyline. Yawn.
Beth….Sam is responsible for Dean’s depression? Oy vey, poor Sam, he just can’t win.
All this makes me feel very sad for Jared. He’s a hard worker and deserved a little more love from his public, not to mention a little more respect from the showrunners regarding the way his character is treated. But it’s comforting to think that these days he’s much more concerned with his personal life, his wife’s well-being and the imminent arrival of little Mr. Padalecki than anything else. I wish every happiness for his growing family.
I feel bad for him too. He gets the shoddy treatment from fans and showrunners/writers for sure. I don’t even like to listen to the audio commentaries anymore because they only talk about what a great job Jensen did. Kripke would slather all over Jensen and then say “We’re so lucky to have him! ….and Jared too!” Bleck.
BUT, what keeps me from feeling miserable, is the fact that JENSEN absolutely ADORES Jared and compliments him like crazy at cons. Matt Cohen told a story about how Jensen pulled him into his trailer one day to give him advice about how to move between the characters of Young John Winchester and Michael. He showed him the episode of Jared playing Lucifer in the garden in that white suit! He told him that Jared became Lucifer and there wasn’t a bit of Sam in that scene and that Jared had really nailed it and it was Jensen’s favorite scene.
Also, if you have some time on your hands one day, peruse some of the con videos. Some of the fans are rude to Jared—one girl told him that he was perpetually having a Bad Hair Day. Jensen poked fun at her and said something about her hair. Another time, con-goers were asking Jensen question after question about he and Castiel and Jensen finally said, “You know, Jared is here too.”
My favorite story is one in which a con volunteer, who worked backstage fetching the J’s drinks, snacks etc., shared that after the famous question posed to Jared about P.E.T.A, Jensen threw a hissy fit backstage, yelling at con organizers and telling them that she never should have been allowed to make those statements to Jared. As a result, after that con, all questions are now screened. The volunteer said that while Jensen was yelling, Jared kept touching his arm and his back and his hand and kept saying “Jensen, Jensen, Jensen….” until Jensen calmed down. Such a great first-hand account of what they are like in real life. They really do have each other’s backs.
So even if a large faction of fandom doesn’t like Sam/Jared, and the showrunners have wrecked his character? Jensen is a huge Jared fan and vice versa.
Here’s a cute video of Jensen talking about how he and Jared have each other’s backs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YleghWDbNGo
PS) If you weren’t aware of the P.E.T.A incident, it involved a con-goer who asked Jared why he was supportive of P.E.T.A. since they euthanize animals. He looked and sounded awkward but answered her question quite well in my opinion—and Jensen’s.
Here’s the video of that moment: 3:50
I didn’t read the con volunteer’s backstage experience until last summer and now I watch this video with an entirely new outlook knowing Jensen went backstage and got angry.
Sorry! Forgot the link!
P.E.T.A video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0_7BNAShmE
Thanks, Beth! I hadn’t heard about Jensen being so protective of Jared, and this really makes me feel better. It’s a little like Dean being a protective big brother to Sam. The friendship between these guys is sweet amd reminds me that their onscreen chemistry is and has always been the magic of this show. I really can’t understand because the showrunners forget this so often and keep trying to ruin the brothership by spliting up the boys. If it goes on like this, its going to be the death of the show.
Besides, it’s curious that some fanatic Jensen fans think that they can express their love best by showing hate to Sam/Jared, even if it makes Jensen sad and angry. Strage kind of love.
“I really can’t understand WHY the showrunners forget this so often.”
Sorry, bad English.
I wont deny I wish for the SPN of old where the brothers were brothers Sam mattered and was treated like a human being and Dean didnt spend endless days moaning about his lot and Cas was no where in sight. But sadly that show went out the window at the end of season 3 maybe season 2 with the Dean deal sl I dont know but the show devalued Sam has a brother and son and has a individual with rights and some of the fandom followed the lead.
Sam is the whipping boy for both writers and fandom something happens blame Sam . Dean is unhappy blame Sam . Cas pulls Sams wall down blame Sam for standing in the wrong place.Yes I miss the hazy summer days of what the show was once.
You tell me!
I don’t know if anyone is checking this site at the moment, but I thought I’d leave a comment with some information that may make some of you happy. It appears that current show runner Sera Gamble is stepping down and is being replaced by Jeremy Carver for season 8. (There is still no official word on season 8, but a new show runner makes it sound like a certainty.) Anyway, I take this as a positive sign as Jeremy Carver wrote some of the absolute best episodes of the series, and will hopefully re-infuse the show with those elements that many feel have gone missing in recent years. I am really happy with this development, and hope that some of you will come here and find this message and find a reason to hope that things in the show, the balance and the relationship with the brothers will improve. I always felt that Mr. Carver “got” the brothers, wrote them well and was equally interested in both of them. His episodes always seemed to be character driven rather than plot driven, something I appreciate and prefer.
I don’t know if Sylvia has given up on her reviews, but I hold out hope that she will return and see this message and find a reason to continue. I miss reading them, and discussing the episodes with you-all.
Hi BoGirle
Thanks for the info. That is awesome news! I agree with you about Jeremy Carver. He totally ‘gets’ the brothers and this makes me very happy.
Oh and I am worried about Sylvia. She hasn’t posted a review in quite some time.
I have been a frequent poster here for several years now and this is the place where I feel I can honestly call ‘home’. She writes the best reviews and she really understands how much we still love Jensen and Jared.
Joan
Yeah! Someone read my post. Hi Joan. Yes, I am really glad about this development as well. I have always tried to be supportive of Sera Gamble; she’s a talented writer, having penned some of the most memorable episodes, and she is doing a difficult job. There are not many women show-runners out there, so my instinct was to be supportive of her. I have tried to remain optimistic about her abilities as a show-runner, but in all honesty, I am not as happy with the last two seasons as I was with the rest of the show (although, season seven isn’t all that bad really). For me, one of the most troubling issues has been continuity (or the lack thereof), and a shift toward overly complex plotting. The show has been really plot heavy in the past two seasons to the point where the boys, and their character development and their relationship seems to have gotten lost. They don’t spend much time on screen together, and they don’t seem to talk much. It’s weird though; I mean Gamble wrote “Faith” “Houses of the Holy” “Heart” and the recent “Death’s Door” some of the most memorable episodes of the series, why has she gone away from what she does so well as a show-runner? I don’t get it.
Anyway. I am happy to hear from you, and I hope that Sylvia will at some point feel re-charged and inspired to continue. I too really like posting here. This is one of the only “safe places” to discuss this show like a civilized human being. The other boards are at best nasty and at worst downright frightening.
Hi BoGirle!
Yes, I could not resist reading your post cause it made me really elated and gave me hope for the future.
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I am sure you know that I have been an ardent fan of Supernatural since the Pilot; but over the last several seasons there have been cracks in my love for the show. Now, I will always ‘heart’ Jensen and Jared but the show itself has frustrated me to no end over the last couple of years. Honestly, I was not even excited about the possibility of the show being renewed and that saddened me to the core. I felt the same way last season but even more so this season.
I wanted to support Sera because you are right. She wrote “Faith” and “Heart” which are still two of my favorite episodes of Supernatural. I have watched them so many times that it is embarrassing really but I can’t help myself.
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I also don’t understand how she could let things go downhill so drastically either. Thanks again for sharing this fabulous news. Maybe we will see a return to the brothers of yesteryear. As fan girls we reserve the right to dream!
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Oh, I never told you this but I have always enjoyed reading your comments. You have great insight!
Have a great day.
Joan
Aw, thanks Joan! I have really enjoyed reading your comments too. I spent many, many years as a lurker in the fandom, reading other people’s comments and wanting to post my own, but not willing to open myself up to the screeching and illogical sniping that takes place on other sites among those with opposing opinions. When I came here by accident one day, I was struck by how wonderful Sylvia’s reviews were, and how civil and insightful the comments were. I still hesitated to post, reading through all of the reviews (season 4 or so at the time I think) and ALL of the attached comments; I am nothing if not thorough. Then finally, tentatively left my first comments. I was overjoyed to get so many wonderful responses! I really hope that we can continue discussing the show here in some capacity. I really miss it.
It was great to hear from you!