Comments on: Supernatural: Dark Side of the Moon

By: Sylvia Bond

Sylvia Bond — Wed, 07 Apr 2010 23:31:34 +0000

Hey, I can't even speak Portuguese, let alone write it, so you're way ahead of me!

By: Andrea

Andrea — Wed, 07 Apr 2010 16:19:56 +0000

Sorry, I mean "best prospects". When I get excited about something I tend to make some gross grammar mistakes. Even though I'm not a native speaker – Portuguese is my mother language – I like to think that I write better than this. : )

By: Andrea

Andrea — Wed, 07 Apr 2010 06:42:34 +0000

The cross meaning that Sam is the only one with some faith left, yes. I agree. As for being a savior, it depends on who or what is he going to save. I very much doubt that they'll give him the role of savior from the apocalypse. If Kripke ever lets this happen, he had better take a ride with Roy and Walt and run for his life. Because this is supposed to be DEAN's role. The fandom (or Dean's side of the fanfdom) would never forgive him. No, much as I like the aforementioned idea, I think that Sam's better propects are to save DEAN and help him restore his faith, so Dean can save the world.

By: Andrea

Andrea — Wed, 07 Apr 2010 06:31:05 +0000

Sam as the Magical Kingdom! LOL, adorable. But seriously, isn't it a puzzle? This episode has so many pieces, I can't quite elaborate my ideas. But I feel that Sam is a sort of destination for Dean, and I don't mean only in this episode. Do I make any sense?

By: Andrea

Andrea — Wed, 07 Apr 2010 02:42:34 +0000

By: Andrea

Andrea — Wed, 07 Apr 2010 02:31:05 +0000

By: Sylvia Bond

Sylvia Bond — Wed, 07 Apr 2010 01:07:54 +0000

Yes, that's the way to put it. As long as it isn't about Dean, then Dean can forgive Sam anything…

By: Sylvia Bond

Sylvia Bond — Wed, 07 Apr 2010 00:03:47 +0000

I hope you enjoy them!!

By: Sylvia Bond

Sylvia Bond — Wed, 07 Apr 2010 00:03:21 +0000

Oooooh, I'm raising my hand! I heard the Soap Angel say that but didn't make the connection. Doesn't this road (it had a special name that the Soap Angel said which I couldn't for the life of me figure out) go straight to the Garden, also? So there's significance there, as well. The road leads to Sam AND the Garden, so…is Sam the Garden, in a way? Is Sam the center of the universe? Mmmmmm…..at the very least, Sam is the Magic Kingdom….. : D

By: Sylvia Bond

Sylvia Bond — Wed, 07 Apr 2010 00:01:45 +0000

Isn't that a great scene? I'm with you! A hundred gabillion times wouldn't be enough times to have seen it. How often do we get a moment even remotely happy like this? Almost never!!

Colin Ford is a GEM of a find!

By: Sylvia Bond

Sylvia Bond — Wed, 07 Apr 2010 00:00:53 +0000

What a cool observation to make about Sam….he's doing his best. So's Dean, they're both struggling so hard, but when it comes to Sam being apart from Dean, Dean can't handle it. Not saying that Sam can very well, but he seems better able to handle it.

Not that I would have their messed up selves any other way. : D

By: Lynn

Lynn — Tue, 06 Apr 2010 22:16:10 +0000

LOL! I love this!

By: Andrea

Andrea — Tue, 06 Apr 2010 20:49:04 +0000

I found it interesting that the "road" is a two-lane road. Also, I keep tinking about Castiel's sentence: follow the road and you'll find Sam. I have a feeling that it means much more than just Dean finding Sam in his Thanksgiving Dinner. Does anyone feels the same?

By: Andrea

Andrea — Tue, 06 Apr 2010 20:26:45 +0000

Whiskey, it's interesting that you mention jealousy. This is something I've been thinking about. If you look back at Season 1, there are some hints on that. In Skin, we have the following lines from fake Dean to Sam: “I am your brother. See, deep down, I’m just jealous. You got friends. You could have a life. Me? I know I’m a freak. And sooner or later, everybody’s gonna leave me.” We should have in mind that fake Dean was able to borrow thoughts and feelings from the real Dean. Then, in Scarecrow, we have Dean's words to Sam: “You’ve always known what you want. And you go after it. You stand up to Dad. And you always have. Hell, I wish I—anyway….I admire that about you. I’m proud of you, Sammy.”

What I think is that deep down Dean resents Sam for doing what he, Dean, would have liked to do himself – getting free of John, having friends, having a different sort of life. But for some reason he never made the move. This can be a kind of jealousy.

By: Whiskey

Whiskey — Tue, 06 Apr 2010 20:11:48 +0000

I think that shrink at the mental institution was right; they're far too co-dependent.

What I think Dean is totally failing to grasp here is that what he's angry with Sam for (and I agree that he seems to be furious with Sam for being able to live without him) is something that he himself forced on Sam. Maybe not so much with the Stanford thing, though I seriously doubt Sam would have said no if Dean had wanted to go with him. And maybe not as much when they were younger, though if Sam felt that Dean was on John's side about things, then he might have felt forced by both of them to learn to live alone, by virtue of being made to feel like he didn't fit in at home, as someone else pointed out here in the comments. That's purely conjecture, and I'm not trying to blame Dean for all of it. But once someone learns to take care of themselves emotionally on their own, doing so physically isn't that big of a leap.

The forcing definitely came into play when Dean went to Hell. That was a decision Dean made, without consulting Sam (yes, I realize that he COULDN'T consult Sam), and he left Sam behind with no choice but to go on without him. Dean himself forced Sam to learn how to live without him, and now he's turning around and berating Sam for it. That's not just illogical, it's cruel.

By: kamm

kamm — Tue, 06 Apr 2010 20:01:41 +0000

Oh boy what an episode…but I find myself annoyed with Dean. I love the angst as much as the next fangirl, but Dean has crossed the very thin line from angst to self pity, for me at least. I get it, I really do. He is in an impossible situation and things are really bad right now. But they're bad for everybody. His advice to Sam at the end of "Sam, Interrupted" was to suck it up. Well, as of now it looks like Sam is the only one who is. Sam was able to look at Dean's memory of his mother, as well as his own memories, and see both perspectives. (He even apologised!) Dean looked at them and could not see past his own hurt.

By: Whiskey

Whiskey — Tue, 06 Apr 2010 19:58:50 +0000

I think it ties back to Dean's self-esteem (which is pretty much residing in a sub-sub-sub-sub-basement of the gutter at the moment as we know all too well; they've stopped dropping those anvils and started hurling them at us like we're targets. We need to become moving targets at the very least. Serpentine, people, serpentine!) He knows how much he did for Sam, but if Sam (in Dean's mind) doesn't appreciate it, then maybe Dean didn't do enough. If Dean didn't do enough then he failed, and he doesn't take failure well, and therefore he gets upset. I'm not sure. Jealousy fits all too well, as you said, but I can't figure out what he'd be jealous of either. He doesn't admire anything about Sam at this point, so what could he possibly want so badly that Sam has?

By: Whiskey

Whiskey — Tue, 06 Apr 2010 19:51:53 +0000

Dean's always been that way, to a point. Sam was never really allowed to talk about John, or their lives growing up without being reminded that he left. It seems that in Dean's mind, Sam's leaving for school equated to Sam failing to appreciate his entire childhood, or something like that. I think it's Dean's nature to see black and white, and Sam running away, both in Arizona, and when he went to Stanford, is more of a grey area. So it doesn't fit into Dean's view of things, and that's why he can't let go of it. That's just a theory.

Someone more eloquent than I am (ancastar) said on LJ that "Dean needs to realize that it's okay for Sam to find joy in things that aren't directly tied to Dean. He needs to be able to love that Sam as well as the one who worshiped him as a child." And I think that sums it up nicely, as well as, I think, fits in with what I was saying about Dean black and white with no grey areas in his personal relationships.

By: Whiskey

Whiskey — Tue, 06 Apr 2010 19:25:19 +0000

Maybe Dean can forgive Sam for anything that doesn't involve him personally. That fits with what he said in Lucifer Rising, when he chewed Sam out for apologizing too much and told him there was nothing Sam could do to make things right. He wasn't mad about the Apocalypse; he was mad about Ruby. He was mad about the part that was personal. Of course, Dean isn't dumb, at all, so he probably saw that being angry with Sam for starting the Apocalypse wasn't fair, since he broke a seal too. But it was still the personal hurt that seemed to hit the hardest for him.

By: Whiskey

Whiskey — Tue, 06 Apr 2010 19:20:42 +0000

Thank you for letting me be wordy. I tend to feel a lot better once I get it all out of my system.

I was right there with you, enjoying the insight into their past until Dean up and lit into Sam the first time. I was very "Bwuh huh?" at first, and then I got mad. I'm very tired of the games Show is playing, and the erratic way they've written Dean lately. The message they're sending is that Sam is less than Dean, and as you said, they seem to want to pound Sam into the ground. That's so wrong I don't know where to start, and unless it has a huge, HUGE pay off coming up, it needs to stop, NOW. And I have exactly zero faith that they're working up to anything regarding Sam. He'll wind up being even less important than he is now by the time it's done. Dean's the saint after all.