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		<title>By: guest</title>
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		<dc:creator>guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 00:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can compare any new movie with the past thousands of movies and find some similarities. Avatar was the best movie i have ever seen, visuals and storyline. Go see it while you still can. You only have one chance to see its beautiful 3D visuals! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can compare any new movie with the past thousands of <a title="movies" href="http://www.pinkraygun.com/category/big-screen/movies-big-screen/">movies</a> and find some similarities. Avatar was the best movie i have ever seen, visuals and storyline. Go see it while you still can. You only have one chance to see its beautiful 3D visuals!</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 08:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great 3D, boring story. Not likely to see it twice.</description>
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		<title>By: AlphaGirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>AlphaGirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;A reader or movie watcher is going to find fundamentally the same themes in all the works that he or she experiences.&lt;/i&gt; 
 
I already said that&#039;s to be expected. Storyline and character are different than theme.&#160; 
 
&lt;i&gt;I think that people saying everything is cliche is cliche.&lt;/i&gt;&#160; 
 
That smacks of that conversation every college student winds up having at Denny&#039;s at 4AM: &quot;What&#039;s right for me may not be right for you. Dude, pancakes!&quot;&#160; 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>A reader or movie watcher is going to find fundamentally the same themes in all the works that he or she experiences.</i> </p>
<p>I already said that&#039;s to be expected. Storyline and character are different than theme.&nbsp; </p>
<p><i>I think that people saying everything is cliche is cliche.</i>&nbsp; </p>
<p>That smacks of that conversation every college student winds up having at Denny&#039;s at 4AM: &quot;What&#039;s right for me may not be right for you. Dude, pancakes!&quot;&nbsp;</p>
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		<title>By: AlphaGirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>AlphaGirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t get this idea &quot;entertaining&quot; and &quot;well written&quot; are mutually exclusive.&#160; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#039;t get this idea &quot;entertaining&quot; and &quot;well written&quot; are mutually exclusive.&nbsp;</p>
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		<title>By: John Alexander McElmurray</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Alexander McElmurray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(just subscribing to the thread) </description>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that people saying everything is cliche is cliche.  A reader or movie watcher is going to find fundamentally the same themes in all the works that he or she experiences.  This story is an epic story.  Just as the same stories have been told countless times in different ways through writing and oral tradition, so stories are repeated in the production of movies.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that people saying everything is cliche is cliche.  A reader or movie watcher is going to find fundamentally the same themes in all the works that he or she experiences.  This story is an epic story.  Just as the same stories have been told countless times in different ways through writing and oral tradition, so stories are repeated in the production of <a title="movies" href="http://www.pinkraygun.com/category/big-screen/movies-big-screen/">movies</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: John Alexander McElmurray</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Alexander McElmurray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, I understand now. I didn&#039;t realize that you and John had gone into this really expecting it to be anything more than just an entertaining movie. Personally, I had seen the previews, had low expectations of it being uninteresting blockbuster nonsense, and I ended up being blown away by the visuals. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, I understand now. I didn&#039;t realize that you and John had gone into this really expecting it to be anything more than just an entertaining movie. Personally, I had seen the previews, had low expectations of it being uninteresting blockbuster nonsense, and I ended up being blown away by the visuals.</p>
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		<title>By: AlphaGirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>AlphaGirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right - a movie doesn&#039;t have to be highly intellectual to be entertaining. Case in point: Flash Gordon. Intellectual? No. Awesome? Totally. But, there was also never any doubt that Flash Gordon was going to be anything other than a silly, pulp adventure with flabby old Brian Blessed in a leather posing pouch. With Avatar, it&#039;s one thing for it to have similar themes as other movies - I expect that. What I didn&#039;t expect was storylines fully ripped off from other movies and played out by flat, cliched characters.&#160; 
 
No worries about starting arguments - we get that a lot around here and already argued in this thread quite a bit. :) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#039;re right &#8211; a movie doesn&#039;t have to be highly intellectual to be entertaining. Case in point: <a title="Flash Gordon" href="http://www.pinkraygun.com/category/on-screen/former-tv/flash-gordon/">Flash Gordon</a>. Intellectual? No. Awesome? Totally. But, there was also never any doubt that <a title="Flash Gordon" href="http://www.pinkraygun.com/tag/flash-gordon/">Flash Gordon</a> was going to be anything other than a silly, pulp adventure with flabby old Brian Blessed in a leather posing pouch. With Avatar, it&#039;s one thing for it to have similar themes as other <a title="movies" href="http://www.pinkraygun.com/category/big-screen/movies-big-screen/">movies</a> &#8211; I expect that. What I didn&#039;t expect was storylines fully ripped off from other movies and played out by flat, cliched characters.&nbsp; </p>
<p>No worries about starting arguments &#8211; we get that a lot around here and already argued in this thread quite a bit. <img src='http://www.pinkraygun.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: John Alexander McElmurray</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Alexander McElmurray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t want to start an argument, and I definitely see where you are coming from in saying that the movie was, more or less, fecal matter in the form of scriptment. However, I DID enjoy this movie, for the same reason that John said he goes to movies, in order &quot;to see something that we simply can&#039;t see in everyday life.&quot; Avatar definitely qualifies for this, and although the story is borrowed, simplistic, and childish, I enjoyed the spectacle and the absence of gaping plot holes. Although it wasn&#039;t ground breaking, it was well thought out and entertaining.  
 
On another note, something doesn&#039;t always have to be highly intellectual to be enjoyed. Harry Potter, for example, is a fairly childish story of adolescence and Good vs. Evil that purposefully appeals to the masses, but it&#039;s highly entertaining and infectious to read. It&#039;s very good of you and John to enjoy thought-provoking entertainment, but sometimes it&#039;s okay to watch something that&#039;s not in that realm. 
 
Thanks, 
JM </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#039;t want to start an argument, and I definitely see where you are coming from in saying that the movie was, more or less, fecal matter in the form of scriptment. However, I DID enjoy this movie, for the same reason that John said he goes to <a title="movies" href="http://www.pinkraygun.com/category/big-screen/movies-big-screen/">movies</a>, in order &quot;to see something that we simply can&#039;t see in everyday life.&quot; Avatar definitely qualifies for this, and although the story is borrowed, simplistic, and childish, I enjoyed the spectacle and the absence of gaping plot holes. Although it wasn&#039;t ground breaking, it was well thought out and entertaining.  </p>
<p>On another note, something doesn&#039;t always have to be highly intellectual to be enjoyed. <a title="Harry Potter" href="http://www.pinkraygun.com/tag/harry-potter/">Harry Potter</a>, for example, is a fairly childish story of adolescence and Good vs. Evil that purposefully appeals to the masses, but it&#039;s highly entertaining and infectious to read. It&#039;s very good of you and John to enjoy thought-provoking <a title="entertainment" href="http://www.pinkraygun.com/tag/entertainment/">entertainment</a>, but sometimes it&#039;s okay to watch something that&#039;s not in that realm. </p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
JM</p>
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		<title>By: Rmz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rmz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 09:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say the story was boring, unimaginative and the characters were caricatures... However, I would not hesitate to recommend it to anyone with the slightest interest in digital advancement and innovation. Just because the plot is underdeveloped is not reason to miss out on the future of digital media. Of course I am speaking as a (girl) computer geek, for those people who have no idea of what is required to pull this off as flawlessly as it did, the only focus will be on the other most obvious stuff. In fact, it is a testament to the film that we can look beyond the digital effects and talk about secondary things, believe me, if the effects didnt work, it would have been the first thing that got trashed... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say the story was boring, unimaginative and the characters were caricatures&#8230; However, I would not hesitate to recommend it to anyone with the slightest interest in digital advancement and innovation. Just because the plot is underdeveloped is not reason to miss out on the future of digital media. Of course I am speaking as a (girl) computer geek, for those people who have no idea of what is required to pull this off as flawlessly as it did, the only focus will be on the other most obvious stuff. In fact, it is a testament to the film that we can look beyond the digital effects and talk about secondary things, believe me, if the effects didnt work, it would have been the first thing that got trashed&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Truth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fail: &lt;a href=&quot;http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/&lt;/a&gt; 
You just fail women... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fail: <a href="http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/" target="_blank">http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/</a><br />
You just fail women&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 15:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was growing up, and wanted a particular brand of jeans, I&#039;d try the argument &quot;but all the other kids have them,&quot; which never worked. My parents always answered with &quot;If all the other kids were jumping off bridges, would you jump off bridges, too?&quot;

Based on this comment, I&#039;m going to guess that your response would be something more like &quot;You&#039;re going to get those jeans, I&#039;m not raising any free-thinking, misfits here. You&#039;re going to FIT! IN!&quot;

Because your argument that Avatar made a lot of money so it must be good is quite simply, stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was growing up, and wanted a particular brand of jeans, I&#8217;d try the argument &#8220;but all the other kids have them,&#8221; which never worked. My parents always answered with &#8220;If all the other kids were jumping off bridges, would you jump off bridges, too?&#8221;</p>
<p>Based on this comment, I&#8217;m going to guess that your response would be something more like &#8220;You&#8217;re going to get those jeans, I&#8217;m not raising any free-thinking, misfits here. You&#8217;re going to FIT! IN!&#8221;</p>
<p>Because your argument that Avatar made a lot of money so it must be good is quite simply, stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: AlphaGirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>AlphaGirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 13:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This doesn&#039;t spoil anything for anyone - I didn&#039;t give away any of the major plot points that were&#039;t already given away in any trailer. 
 
Unless having a negative opinion on the movie, which you clearly enjoy, somehow ruins it for you. You know, like how the right insists that one gay marriage ruins all marriage.&#160; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This doesn&#039;t spoil anything for anyone &#8211; I didn&#039;t give away any of the major plot points that were&#039;t already given away in any trailer. </p>
<p>Unless having a negative opinion on the movie, which you clearly enjoy, somehow ruins it for you. You know, like how the right insists that one gay marriage ruins all marriage.&nbsp;</p>
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		<title>By: JoeE</title>
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		<dc:creator>JoeE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 05:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s now January 5th and the movie will break $400 million in the US this coming weekend.  I have seen it twice so I must not be a good judge of character.  The people Ive take must not be either.  I am 54, the folks I took were 52, 62, 57 and 56.  The audience the second time had an average age around 40, and not a lot of kids.  All of us actually think we are good film critics liking quality film, particularly small Independent films.  I like those because there is hardly anything BIG that&#039;s fresh coming out of Hollywood except maybe The Dark Knight.   We all thought it was well written, reasonably acted, emotional, beautiful to look at and the 3D is an amazing visual achievement.  Seems like the world kind of agrees.  The negative reviews I have read are either weak like this one or jingoistic espousing a far right perspective bitching about bad old liberal Hollywood.  Then there&#039;s that white guilt fantasy angle that&#039;s so tired it&#039;s not worthy of a response.  I actually understand the far right bitch but this review is just sad.  If you can&#039;t sit back and enjoy the spectacular beauty of the film and have a good time, at least don&#039;t spoil it for others.     My guess is that Theresa finally went and saw it.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#039;s now January 5th and the movie will break $400 million in the US this coming weekend.  I have seen it twice so I must not be a good judge of character.  The people Ive take must not be either.  I am 54, the folks I took were 52, 62, 57 and 56.  The audience the second time had an average age around 40, and not a lot of kids.  All of us actually think we are good film critics liking quality film, particularly small Independent films.  I like those because there is hardly anything BIG that&#039;s fresh coming out of <a title="Hollywood" href="http://www.pinkraygun.com/tag/hollywood/">Hollywood</a> except maybe <a title="The Dark Knight" href="http://www.pinkraygun.com/tag/the-dark-knight/">The Dark Knight</a>.   We all thought it was well written, reasonably acted, emotional, beautiful to look at and the 3D is an amazing visual achievement.  Seems like the world kind of agrees.  The negative reviews I have read are either weak like this one or jingoistic espousing a far right perspective bitching about bad old liberal Hollywood.  Then there&#039;s that white guilt fantasy angle that&#039;s so tired it&#039;s not worthy of a response.  I actually understand the far right bitch but this review is just sad.  If you can&#039;t sit back and enjoy the spectacular beauty of the film and have a good time, at least don&#039;t spoil it for others.     My guess is that Theresa finally went and saw it.</p>
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		<title>By: Perel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Perel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 23:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh my god, shallow movie. i can only laugh at u sad people who didnt enjoy the movie. personally i watched this movie 4 times in a week... thats how great this movie was (two times 3d and 2 times regular screen). the fact that i could watch this movie this many time and not get bored is amazing. 2 hours and a half and it didnt feel like a long movie at all. its amazing animation, yea, sure but the story itself is amazing as well. every detail they thought of... the 10 foot tall blue apes and their entire world and life style. the story itself wasnt too &quot;original&quot; but what is? almost every movie end with the good guy winning the girl or killing the bad guy. this movie was only diffrent in the way, the journey it took you. anyway its an amazing movie, everyone should watch it. i want it to be the second most grossing movie in the world (becuase i cant believe it will pass titanic) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh my god, shallow movie. i can only laugh at u sad people who didnt enjoy the movie. personally i watched this movie 4 times in a week&#8230; thats how great this movie was (two times 3d and 2 times regular screen). the fact that i could watch this movie this many time and not get bored is amazing. 2 hours and a half and it didnt feel like a long movie at all. its amazing animation, yea, sure but the story itself is amazing as well. every detail they thought of&#8230; the 10 foot tall blue apes and their entire world and life style. the story itself wasnt too &quot;original&quot; but what is? almost every movie end with the good guy winning the girl or killing the bad guy. this movie was only diffrent in the way, the journey it took you. anyway its an amazing movie, everyone should watch it. i want it to be the second most grossing movie in the world (becuase i cant believe it will pass titanic)</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 06:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t eat fast food either. I&#039;ve never watched Battlestar Galactica. The point I gathered from Joseph Campbell is that despite the vast distance and differences between various cultures the stories and myths being told hold universal similarities and that a union of truth can be ascertained from the cross section of these stories.  
 
The hero&#039;s journey is very often about crossing sides.  
 
EVERYONE seems to gloss over the deux ex machina ending accepting it, but don&#039;t bother considering it a possibility that the planet may well have brought Jake, the exact purpose he served knowing that in his condition he would be prone to be sympathetic to the Na Vi. I don&#039;t know if you want to start discussing the art of war because If I were a general in the Na vi army I would find it a very logical decision for Sully to the lead the battle due to the fact that he was human and therefore well aware of potential weaknesses (ie arrows from above instead of glancing blows from below). Campbell referred to this special knowledge the boon, in this case brought back to the people in their time of need; their f&#039;ing planet was being raped. We had the brother battle, Dragon-Battle, abduction, whales belly, wonder journey, tests &amp; helpers, flight, sacred marriage, mother atonement, and of course the original call to adventure. Charted out the Hero&#039;s journey is far more simplistic and distilled than this film is being broken down into 4 keys, the threshold of adventure and a circle. Myths are by design meant to be simple so the people can better absorb them, often without them being aware of it, sort of like flavored cough medicine. 
 
I enjoy an assortment of films, from Bergen to Bruckheimer. Corporate Greed does = Bad (The Current Economy is proof of this), Environment Destruction does = Bad (Climate change proves this). If this is so elementary then why does nothing change?  
 
So if the species needs this message delivered to them at an 8th grade remedial ed student level before something is done, it&#039;s a little sad I agree, but inspiring that someone in the position to make a 400 million dollar film would be willing to do so. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#039;t eat fast food either. I&#039;ve never watched <a title="Battlestar Galactica" href="http://www.pinkraygun.com/category/on-screen/former-tv/battlestar-galactica/">Battlestar Galactica</a>. The point I gathered from Joseph Campbell is that despite the vast distance and differences between various cultures the stories and myths being told hold universal similarities and that a union of truth can be ascertained from the cross section of these stories.  </p>
<p>The hero&#039;s journey is very often about crossing sides.  </p>
<p>EVERYONE seems to gloss over the deux <a title="ex machina" href="http://www.pinkraygun.com/tag/ex-machina/">ex machina</a> ending accepting it, but don&#039;t bother considering it a possibility that the planet may well have brought Jake, the exact purpose he served knowing that in his condition he would be prone to be sympathetic to the Na Vi. I don&#039;t know if you want to start discussing the art of war because If I were a general in the Na vi army I would find it a very logical decision for Sully to the lead the battle due to the fact that he was human and therefore well aware of potential weaknesses (ie arrows from above instead of glancing blows from below). Campbell referred to this special knowledge the boon, in this case brought back to the people in their time of need; their f&#039;ing planet was being raped. We had the brother battle, Dragon-Battle, abduction, whales belly, wonder journey, tests &amp; helpers, flight, sacred marriage, mother atonement, and of course the original call to adventure. Charted out the Hero&#039;s journey is far more simplistic and distilled than this film is being broken down into 4 keys, the threshold of adventure and a circle. Myths are by design meant to be simple so the people can better absorb them, often without them being aware of it, sort of like flavored cough medicine. </p>
<p>I enjoy an assortment of films, from Bergen to Bruckheimer. Corporate Greed does = Bad (The Current Economy is proof of this), Environment Destruction does = Bad (<a title="Climate change" href="http://www.pinkraygun.com/tag/climate-change/">Climate change</a> proves this). If this is so elementary then why does nothing change?  </p>
<p>So if the species needs this message delivered to them at an 8th grade remedial ed student level before something is done, it&#039;s a little sad I agree, but inspiring that someone in the position to make a 400 million dollar film would be willing to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: PEter</title>
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		<dc:creator>PEter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 21:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yet again your twisting my words into some personal attack. Semantics aside, I&#039;m sorry you took it that way. If all your articles are written so flippantly as &quot;how you roll,&quot; then you can&#039;t be surprised to receive equally flippant reactions from time to time. And If this is an example of your film criticism then I guess I&#039;d have to agree with Anne Thompson about the future of that profession. I guess John can act like a jerk all he wants, I&#039;d still call it trolling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yet again your twisting my words into some personal attack. Semantics aside, I&#8217;m sorry you took it that way. If all your articles are written so flippantly as &#8220;how you roll,&#8221; then you can&#8217;t be surprised to receive equally flippant reactions from time to time. And If this is an example of your film criticism then I guess I&#8217;d have to agree with Anne Thompson about the future of that profession. I guess John can act like a jerk all he wants, I&#8217;d still call it trolling.</p>
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		<title>By: pinkraygun</title>
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		<dc:creator>pinkraygun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 21:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You wanna talk about the movie, let&#039;s talk about the movie. 
 
Adhering to the Joseph Campbell &quot;Hero&#039;s Journey&quot; isn&#039;t what makes a movie lowest common denominator. The overly simplistic messages of &quot;Corporate Greed = BAD&quot; and &quot;Environmental Destruction = BAD&quot; does. I expect something more well thought and nuanced from an adult making a movie than what I&#039;d expect from an 8th grade remedial ed student writing an extra-credit book report. From Avatar, not only did I not detect any message &#160;more insightful than what the 8th grader could give, I also discovered something far more troubling. 
 
The Na&#039;Vi serve as some sort of Native American stand-in, referred to by the invading White Corporate Culture as &quot;savages&quot; and &quot;animals.&quot; Yet it takes a white guy in a high-tech version of Blue-Face to get&#160;assimilated into the tribe, mate with the hot native girl, and emerge as the smartest and strongest of that tribe. Message perceived - White Guys Do It Better. 
 
Admittedly, the world building in the movie was amazing. But sometimes, pretty just ain&#039;t enough. 
 
Sure, Lisa and I are in the minority of public opinion on this movie - but we also hated Titanic, find the majority of Pop 40 songs to be trite and unoriginal, can&#039;t stand hospital dramas and police procedurals on TV, hated the ending of Battlestar Galactica, don&#039;t shop at Wal-Mart or eat at McDonalds (or any fast food, for that matter). We&#039;re kinda freaky that way - you know, we actually turn ON our brains when we&#039;re ready to be entertained. We don&#039;t go into movies looking to escape our harsh reality - we go into movies looking for inspiration in the characters, to see something that we simply can&#039;t see in everyday life, and to be challenged by the story message. 
 
Avatar succeeded at only one of those. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You wanna talk about the movie, let&#039;s talk about the movie. </p>
<p>Adhering to the Joseph Campbell &quot;Hero&#039;s Journey&quot; isn&#039;t what makes a movie lowest common denominator. The overly simplistic messages of &quot;Corporate Greed = BAD&quot; and &quot;Environmental Destruction = BAD&quot; does. I expect something more well thought and nuanced from an adult making a movie than what I&#039;d expect from an 8th grade remedial ed student writing an extra-credit book report. From Avatar, not only did I not detect any message &nbsp;more insightful than what the 8th grader could give, I also discovered something far more troubling. </p>
<p>The Na&#039;Vi serve as some sort of Native American stand-in, referred to by the invading White <a title="Corporate Culture" href="http://www.pinkraygun.com/tag/corporate-culture/">Corporate Culture</a> as &quot;savages&quot; and &quot;animals.&quot; Yet it takes a white guy in a high-tech version of Blue-Face to get&nbsp;assimilated into the tribe, mate with the hot native girl, and emerge as the smartest and strongest of that tribe. Message perceived &#8211; White Guys Do It Better. </p>
<p>Admittedly, the world building in the movie was amazing. But sometimes, pretty just ain&#039;t enough. </p>
<p>Sure, Lisa and I are in the minority of public opinion on this movie &#8211; but we also hated Titanic, find the majority of Pop 40 songs to be trite and unoriginal, can&#039;t stand hospital dramas and police procedurals on TV, hated the ending of <a title="Battlestar Galactica" href="http://www.pinkraygun.com/category/on-screen/former-tv/battlestar-galactica/">Battlestar Galactica</a>, don&#039;t shop at Wal-Mart or eat at McDonalds (or any fast food, for that matter). We&#039;re kinda freaky that way &#8211; you know, we actually turn ON our brains when we&#039;re ready to be entertained. We don&#039;t go into <a title="movies" href="http://www.pinkraygun.com/category/big-screen/movies-big-screen/">movies</a> looking to escape our harsh reality &#8211; we go into movies looking for inspiration in the characters, to see something that we simply can&#039;t see in everyday life, and to be challenged by the story message. </p>
<p>Avatar succeeded at only one of those.</p>
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		<title>By: AlphaGirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>AlphaGirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 21:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John is the co-founder of Pink Raygun, along with me. I didn&#039;t realize it was possible for one to troll his/ her own website.&#160; 
 
As far as flippancy, well. . . if you read any of the 1200+ pieces I&#039;ve posted in the past three years, &quot;flippant&quot; is how I roll.  
 
&quot;I&#039;m sorry for her emotional response to my words, and sorry that she wasn&#039;t able to enjoy what amounts to in palette &amp; artistic virtuosity&quot; is the extent of your reported several apologies (which, BTW, were not requested, required, or desired) and is tantamount to saying &quot;I&#039;m sorry you&#039;re a dick.&quot;&#160; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John is the co-founder of <a title="Pink Raygun" href="http://www.pinkraygun.com/tag/pink-raygun/">Pink Raygun</a>, along with me. I didn&#039;t realize it was possible for one to troll his/ her own website.&nbsp; </p>
<p>As far as flippancy, well. . . if you read any of the 1200+ pieces I&#039;ve posted in the past three years, &quot;flippant&quot; is how I roll.  </p>
<p>&quot;I&#039;m sorry for her emotional response to my words, and sorry that she wasn&#039;t able to enjoy what amounts to in palette &amp; artistic virtuosity&quot; is the extent of your reported several apologies (which, BTW, were not requested, required, or desired) and is tantamount to saying &quot;I&#039;m sorry you&#039;re a dick.&quot;&nbsp;</p>
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		<title>By: PEter</title>
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		<dc:creator>PEter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have a problem admitting that my remark was flippant, but I found her article equally flippant and unfocused, and I meant to draw attention to that. I just assumed that as a student of creative writing she would be very familiar with the tropes of the &quot;myth making&quot; storytelling associated with such films as the one being discussed. Just because something is distilled to it&#039;s essence doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s &quot;lowest common denominator,&quot; and I find that sort of generalization an offensive stereo type. The only thing I could take away from her article was that she and John didn&#039;t enjoy the film (fair enough). On this thread I&#039;m representing the minority. I&#039;ve presented several points of contention about her article but instead the two of you have latched onto whatever can be construed as personal attacks and have made this about her instead of about the film. The type of written demeanor you&#039;re exhibiting is more directly an act of Trolling than anything I&#039;ve said, considering I&#039;ve now several times apologized for offending her personally. I&#039;ve yet here anything from yourself. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#039;t have a problem admitting that my remark was flippant, but I found her article equally flippant and unfocused, and I meant to draw attention to that. I just assumed that as a student of <a title="creative writing" href="http://www.pinkraygun.com/tag/creative-writing/">creative writing</a> she would be very familiar with the tropes of the &quot;myth making&quot; storytelling associated with such films as the one being discussed. Just because something is distilled to it&#039;s essence doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s &quot;lowest common denominator,&quot; and I find that sort of generalization an offensive stereo type. The only thing I could take away from her article was that she and John didn&#039;t enjoy the film (fair enough). On this thread I&#039;m representing the minority. I&#039;ve presented several points of contention about her article but instead the two of you have latched onto whatever can be construed as personal attacks and have made this about her instead of about the film. The type of written demeanor you&#039;re exhibiting is more directly an act of Trolling than anything I&#039;ve said, considering I&#039;ve now several times apologized for offending her personally. I&#039;ve yet here anything from yourself.</p>
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