Comments on: Dollhouse: Vows http://www.pinkraygun.com/2009/09/30/dollhouse-vows/ "Roll, roll, roll in ze hay." - Inga, Young Frankenstein Thu, 18 Mar 2010 13:04:43 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: jennkim http://www.pinkraygun.com/2009/09/30/dollhouse-vows/comment-page-1/#comment-38646 jennkim Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:00:28 +0000 http://www.pinkraygun.com/?p=11573#comment-38646 yeah i cracked up at sierra's hoitytoity racist, s&m character...especially, you know, considering sierra's asian herself. ohh the deliciousness of that irony. yeah i cracked up at sierra's hoitytoity racist, s&m character…especially, you know, considering sierra's asian herself. ohh the deliciousness of that irony.

]]> By: Robin http://www.pinkraygun.com/2009/09/30/dollhouse-vows/comment-page-1/#comment-38634 Robin Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:47:07 +0000 http://www.pinkraygun.com/?p=11573#comment-38634 <i>"(i was also confused as to echo and apollo getting married in real time...how did that happen??"</i> I'm pretty sure that there's a good bit of time we haven't seen between 'Omega' and 'Vows'. Sort of a What-Paul-and-Echo-did-on-their-Summer-vacation that we don't particularly need to see because <i>Dollhouse</i> isn't that much of a police procedural. <i>"ps. i got the shivers when topher said "i know what i know." sonia, please get your hands on epitaph one!"</i> Seconded. The regular cast and the guest cast are really great in it. "(i was also confused as to echo and apollo getting married in real time…how did that happen??"

I'm pretty sure that there's a good bit of time we haven't seen between 'Omega' and 'Vows'. Sort of a What-Paul-and-Echo-did-on-their-Summer-vacation that we don't particularly need to see because Dollhouse isn't that much of a police procedural.

"ps. i got the shivers when topher said "i know what i know." sonia, please get your hands on epitaph one!"

Seconded. The regular cast and the guest cast are really great in it.

]]> By: saurora510 http://www.pinkraygun.com/2009/09/30/dollhouse-vows/comment-page-1/#comment-38632 saurora510 Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:27:48 +0000 http://www.pinkraygun.com/?p=11573#comment-38632 Actually, one of my favorites is Victor, especially after his impersonation of Dominic in "Briar Rose". I'm not so keen on the Victor-Sierra romance, but Sierra's also stronger even if you only see her for 30 seconds - how great was her S&M racist character? She fleshed out so much in that one scene than Eliza did in all her screen time. I also secretly wish Langdon was still Echo's handler though they did need a reason to keep ballard (not that I'm complaining....) I also get so exasperated when the "dolls" are "dolls" ...their naivete is annoying instead of sympathizing. Great, Echo feels all her imprints...ooo, ugh. I rolled my eyes during that one. Actually, one of my favorites is Victor, especially after his impersonation of Dominic in "Briar Rose". I'm not so keen on the Victor-Sierra romance, but Sierra's also stronger even if you only see her for 30 seconds – how great was her S&M racist character? She fleshed out so much in that one scene than Eliza did in all her screen time.
I also secretly wish Langdon was still Echo's handler though they did need a reason to keep ballard (not that I'm complaining….)
I also get so exasperated when the "dolls" are "dolls" …their naivete is annoying instead of sympathizing. Great, Echo feels all her imprints…ooo, ugh. I rolled my eyes during that one.

]]> By: AlphaGirl http://www.pinkraygun.com/2009/09/30/dollhouse-vows/comment-page-1/#comment-38631 AlphaGirl Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:20:12 +0000 http://www.pinkraygun.com/?p=11573#comment-38631 I'm all for more Topher. He became a pathetic figure last season with his birthday gift to himself (turning Sierra into the gamer girl of his dreams) and that was reinforced by seeing him living on a cot in the Dollhouse's server room. Part of my hopes his gamer girl was Whiskey's true identity, but that's probably wishful thinking on my part. He just seemed so <i>sad</i> when he said that he didn't make Whiskey hate him, that was her choice. I'm all for more Topher. He became a pathetic figure last season with his birthday gift to himself (turning Sierra into the gamer girl of his dreams) and that was reinforced by seeing him living on a cot in the Dollhouse's server room. Part of my hopes his gamer girl was Whiskey's true identity, but that's probably wishful thinking on my part. He just seemed so sad when he said that he didn't make Whiskey hate him, that was her choice.

]]> By: AlphaGirl http://www.pinkraygun.com/2009/09/30/dollhouse-vows/comment-page-1/#comment-38629 AlphaGirl Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:13:55 +0000 http://www.pinkraygun.com/?p=11573#comment-38629 That's the downfall of Dollhouse being Eliza's vehicle: she's the least interesting of the bunch. I'm interested in Topher, Adelle, and Langdon, how they got there, why they stay. All Echo has are looks and the benefit of the actor playing her being the star/ producer. That's the downfall of Dollhouse being Eliza's vehicle: she's the least interesting of the bunch. I'm interested in Topher, Adelle, and Langdon, how they got there, why they stay. All Echo has are looks and the benefit of the actor playing her being the star/ producer.

]]> By: saurora510 http://www.pinkraygun.com/2009/09/30/dollhouse-vows/comment-page-1/#comment-38625 saurora510 Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:01:27 +0000 http://www.pinkraygun.com/?p=11573#comment-38625 I just realized I could buy Epitaph One on Amazon for $1.99 - guess what I'm doing today?!??? I just realized I could buy Epitaph One on Amazon for $1.99 – guess what I'm doing today?!???

]]> By: saurora510 http://www.pinkraygun.com/2009/09/30/dollhouse-vows/comment-page-1/#comment-38624 saurora510 Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:00:57 +0000 http://www.pinkraygun.com/?p=11573#comment-38624 Yup, that's the crux right there. Stop TELLING me she's special; start really peeling the layers back as to WHY she's special. And being hot does not make her special, because there are plenty of attractive dimwits where using "special" to describe them could be followed with the word "ed"... Yup, that's the crux right there. Stop TELLING me she's special; start really peeling the layers back as to WHY she's special. And being hot does not make her special, because there are plenty of attractive dimwits where using "special" to describe them could be followed with the word "ed"…

]]> By: jennkim http://www.pinkraygun.com/2009/09/30/dollhouse-vows/comment-page-1/#comment-38623 jennkim Wed, 30 Sep 2009 14:51:46 +0000 http://www.pinkraygun.com/?p=11573#comment-38623 great and thorough review, sonia! i also REALLY enjoyed the saunders/topher exchange. topher is fastly becoming my favorite character, what with his complex moral issues and self-hating. what can i say, i like the damaged ones. i also feel that the show is building up to some reveal that topher and saunders knew each other prior to the dollhouse...their exchanges are just so intense, and topher really stressed that they can't ever know each other...because that's the "contract." that's not just me looking for an excuse for more topher, i hope? echoing alphagirl's sentiments above, i would also say that the biggest problem for me and this show is that we have to assume echo is really, really special. i'm hoping that the show will reveal more reasons as to WHY she's so special, and not just how...(i was also confused as to echo and apollo getting married in real time...how did that happen?? but i do feel that whiskey touched upon her not getting the face surgery in her big convo with topher...what with her not wanting to lose her identity and being afraid she'd be more lucrative as an active doll) and also, i'm hoping that paul ballard will actually become likable and enjoyable to watch, because right now, i kind of find him to be a raging sociopath. (sigh. and helo was so my favorite character on bsg.) i physically reacted when we saw him beat the crap out of echo even though we knew the reasons why he was doing it, and though it was obvious he would become echo's handler, i was annoyed that he seemed to get exactly what he wanted: to have an excuse to obsessively protect and serve as echo's knight, while undeservedly gaining her unconditional trust. ps. i got the shivers when topher said "i know what i know." sonia, please get your hands on epitaph one! :) great and thorough review, sonia! i also REALLY enjoyed the saunders/topher exchange. topher is fastly becoming my favorite character, what with his complex moral issues and self-hating. what can i say, i like the damaged ones. i also feel that the show is building up to some reveal that topher and saunders knew each other prior to the dollhouse…their exchanges are just so intense, and topher really stressed that they can't ever know each other…because that's the "contract." that's not just me looking for an excuse for more topher, i hope?

echoing alphagirl's sentiments above, i would also say that the biggest problem for me and this show is that we have to assume echo is really, really special. i'm hoping that the show will reveal more reasons as to WHY she's so special, and not just how…(i was also confused as to echo and apollo getting married in real time…how did that happen?? but i do feel that whiskey touched upon her not getting the face surgery in her big convo with topher…what with her not wanting to lose her identity and being afraid she'd be more lucrative as an active doll) and also, i'm hoping that paul ballard will actually become likable and enjoyable to watch, because right now, i kind of find him to be a raging sociopath. (sigh. and helo was so my favorite character on bsg.) i physically reacted when we saw him beat the crap out of echo even though we knew the reasons why he was doing it, and though it was obvious he would become echo's handler, i was annoyed that he seemed to get exactly what he wanted: to have an excuse to obsessively protect and serve as echo's knight, while undeservedly gaining her unconditional trust.

ps. i got the shivers when topher said "i know what i know." sonia, please get your hands on epitaph one! :)

]]> By: AlphaGirl http://www.pinkraygun.com/2009/09/30/dollhouse-vows/comment-page-1/#comment-38612 AlphaGirl Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:45:33 +0000 http://www.pinkraygun.com/?p=11573#comment-38612 I feel like I'm always having this conversation with Dollhouse: Show: Echo is special. Me: OK. Does she have a mutant brain that partly resists the treatments? What makes her special? Show: She just is, OK? Eliza and Joss said so! GAWD! There was a lot in this ep that I just had to accept because Eliza and Joss said so, which annoyed me. Why didn't Saunders get a treatment to fix her head when she made that discovery? How long has Apollo been dating Echo, because they're walking down the aisle super fast. Especially for an illegal arms dealer, who surely would have run a full background check. Or who, being the well-monied guy he is, probably used the Dollhouse himself. BIG limb, there. I feel like I'm always having this conversation with Dollhouse:

Show: Echo is special.
Me: OK. Does she have a mutant brain that partly resists the treatments? What makes her special?
Show: She just is, OK? Eliza and Joss said so! GAWD!

There was a lot in this ep that I just had to accept because Eliza and Joss said so, which annoyed me. Why didn't Saunders get a treatment to fix her head when she made that discovery? How long has Apollo been dating Echo, because they're walking down the aisle super fast. Especially for an illegal arms dealer, who surely would have run a full background check. Or who, being the well-monied guy he is, probably used the Dollhouse himself. BIG limb, there.

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