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		<title>By: Teresa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teresa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 16:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of music....this was the BEST.  USE.   OF THE SONG &quot;SABOTAGE&quot;.  EVER.  :) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of music&#8230;.this was the BEST.  USE.   OF THE SONG &quot;SABOTAGE&quot;.  EVER.  <img src='http://www.pinkraygun.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Morjana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morjana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 09:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thoroughly enjoyed this movie. It&#039;s a terrific summer popcorn flick, and also a wonderful scifi film. And yes, it&#039;s a Star Trek film too. 
 
Someone obviously watched all 79 episodes of ST:TOS. Yes, there are differences because ST:TOS and ST:09 are alternate realities, but they overlap: 
 
1) Chris Pike in ST:09 ends up in a wheel chair, retired, and Kirk replaces him as Capt. of the Enterprise. Ditto for SG:TOS (both The Cage and The Menagerie). 
 
2) Sulu&#039;s love of fencing. 
 
3) Kirk asking Chekov how old he was. 
 
4) Bone&#039;s fear of ... space, flying, etc. I&#039;m a doctor not a .... Being divorced. Alcohol problems. 
 
5) Starfleet Academy in San Francisco. 
 
There are more, but these are the first that came to mind. 
 
Loved the music as well in this movie. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thoroughly enjoyed this movie. It&#039;s a terrific summer popcorn flick, and also a wonderful scifi film. And yes, it&#039;s a Star Trek film too. </p>
<p>Someone obviously watched all 79 episodes of ST:TOS. Yes, there are differences because ST:TOS and ST:09 are alternate realities, but they overlap: </p>
<p>1) Chris Pike in ST:09 ends up in a wheel chair, retired, and Kirk replaces him as Capt. of the Enterprise. Ditto for SG:TOS (both The Cage and The Menagerie). </p>
<p>2) Sulu&#039;s love of fencing. </p>
<p>3) Kirk asking Chekov how old he was. </p>
<p>4) Bone&#039;s fear of &#8230; space, flying, etc. I&#039;m a doctor not a &#8230;. Being divorced. Alcohol problems. </p>
<p>5) Starfleet Academy in San Francisco. </p>
<p>There are more, but these are the first that came to mind. </p>
<p>Loved the music as well in this movie.</p>
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		<title>By: Caz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 09:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, yes and double YES. I too have fallen in love with this movie and become a born again trekkie. I have just come home after my first viewing and I am so hyped up I can&#039;t go to bed.  I cried, I laughed and and I am running out of words for how much I loved this movie... Long may the Enterprise and her faithful Captain and crew fly... Live Long and Prosper... or should I say &quot;Good Luck&quot; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, yes and double YES. I too have fallen in love with this movie and become a born again trekkie. I have just come home after my first viewing and I am so hyped up I can&#039;t go to bed.  I cried, I laughed and and I am running out of words for how much I loved this movie&#8230; Long may the Enterprise and her faithful Captain and crew fly&#8230; Live Long and Prosper&#8230; or should I say &quot;Good Luck&quot;</p>
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		<title>By: WolfenM</title>
		<link>http://www.pinkraygun.com/2009/05/11/star-trek-20/comment-page-1/#comment-33161</link>
		<dc:creator>WolfenM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 19:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are Romulans supposed to be &lt;i&gt;more&lt;/i&gt; emotional/illogical than humans? I mean, If my world were destroyed by a natural event that someone tried to stop but failed, I wouldn&#039;t go blaming them for failing and destroy their world in turn. I don&#039;t think *most* people would. Spock wasn&#039;t a terrorist, and neither was the Federation. People lose their families in horrific tragedies everyday, but even when there &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; someone responsible, like in a car accident, you don&#039;t generally hear about anyone but total nutjobs going on a vengeful killing spree. Thing is, it would all have made more sense if he claimed that what happened was actually all some devious plot by the Federation to destroy the Romulans, and acted paranoid. If he said that, I missed it, and my apologies. 
 
That said, it&#039;s not that I *hate* Nero as a &lt;I.character&lt;/i&gt;. I even sympathise to a degree, at least with his loss. It&#039;s just that I didn&#039;t find him to be all that great of a &lt;i&gt;villain&lt;/i&gt;, his character blown to a broader scale than seemed to suit him, at least for my tastes. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are Romulans supposed to be <i>more</i> emotional/illogical than humans? I mean, If my world were destroyed by a natural event that someone tried to stop but failed, I wouldn&#039;t go blaming them for failing and destroy their world in turn. I don&#039;t think *most* people would. Spock wasn&#039;t a terrorist, and neither was the Federation. People lose their families in horrific tragedies everyday, but even when there <i>is</i> someone responsible, like in a car accident, you don&#039;t generally hear about anyone but total nutjobs going on a vengeful killing spree. Thing is, it would all have made more sense if he claimed that what happened was actually all some devious plot by the Federation to destroy the Romulans, and acted paranoid. If he said that, I missed it, and my apologies. </p>
<p>That said, it&#039;s not that I *hate* Nero as a &lt;I.character. I even sympathise to a degree, at least with his loss. It&#039;s just that I didn&#039;t find him to be all that great of a <i>villain</i>, his character blown to a broader scale than seemed to suit him, at least for my tastes.</p>
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		<title>By: WolfenM</title>
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		<dc:creator>WolfenM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 19:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I don&#039;t mind that Kirk offered the help, it was them staying to shoot the ship when it endengered their own lives to do so -- like it never occured to anyone that sticking around even if they weren&#039;t going to save Nero was a bad idea. The whole crew, including Spock, thought they were invincible? 
 
As for the Vulcan children, okay, I can buy it form the standpoint of them feeling Spock&#039;s presence was detrimental to their species, and so they had to use whatever means necessary to get rid of him. Perhaps they&#039;d heard of the human practice of bullying and felt that would work well to reach their desired end, so they tried it out, and were basically acting rather than actually feeling it. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I don&#039;t mind that Kirk offered the help, it was them staying to shoot the ship when it endengered their own lives to do so &#8212; like it never occured to anyone that sticking around even if they weren&#039;t going to save Nero was a bad idea. The whole crew, including Spock, thought they were invincible? </p>
<p>As for the Vulcan children, okay, I can buy it form the standpoint of them feeling Spock&#039;s presence was detrimental to their species, and so they had to use whatever means necessary to get rid of him. Perhaps they&#039;d heard of the human practice of bullying and felt that would work well to reach their desired end, so they tried it out, and were basically acting rather than actually feeling it.</p>
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		<title>By: WolfenM</title>
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		<dc:creator>WolfenM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 19:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad you liked it! :) And I totally agree with that last line. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad you liked it! <img src='http://www.pinkraygun.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  And I totally agree with that last line.</p>
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		<title>By: WolfenM</title>
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		<dc:creator>WolfenM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 19:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, Quinto&#039;s Spock is definitley more emotional/human -- we&#039;re seeing Spock before he finished training himself, so to speak, according to artciels I;ve read about Quinto&#039;s approach and Nimoy&#039;s feelings on it (he was very pleased). In fact, I kind of hope he never gains that level of control -- seeing him struggle to maintain it is far more interesting! :) Further, I think it&#039;s interesting that this Old!Spock here has retained the more human reactions he regained by his rebirth in &lt;i&gt;Seacrh for Spock&lt;/i&gt; -- he, too, isn&#039;t as stoic as he was on TOS .... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, Quinto&#039;s Spock is definitley more emotional/human &#8212; we&#039;re seeing Spock before he finished training himself, so to speak, according to artciels I;ve read about Quinto&#039;s approach and Nimoy&#039;s feelings on it (he was very pleased). In fact, I kind of hope he never gains that level of control &#8212; seeing him struggle to maintain it is far more interesting! <img src='http://www.pinkraygun.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Further, I think it&#039;s interesting that this Old!Spock here has retained the more human reactions he regained by his rebirth in <i>Seacrh for Spock</i> &#8212; he, too, isn&#039;t as stoic as he was on TOS &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Teresa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teresa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 15:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But they&#8217;re still incredibly stupid for staying like they did!&quot; 
 
I actually liked this moment.  It allowed Kirk to show for the first time what the Federation is all about.  He gave Nero the chance to work with them, and was gambling on the fact that perhaps this &quot;villain&quot; could be redeemed after all.  However, I also love that when Nero said he&#039;d &quot;rather die&quot;, Kirk was like, &quot;OK.&quot; 
 
&quot;The Vulcan children picking on Spock didn&#8217;t make much sense - they were exhibiting the very behavior they were accusing him for exhibiting, being emotional and hostile!&quot; 
 
Yes, but remember that they are indeed children - imitating the behavior of adults without really having the know-how.  None of them are anywhere near the Vulcan (adult) ritual of Kolinhar, which would purge emotion completely.  Also, I&#039;d argue that their taunting was extremely logical. :)  They saw Spock as something that was detrimental to them and their species, so they were trying to get him riled up to prove he didn&#039;t belong and perhaps get him removed from their school.  
 
&quot;The villain wasn&#8217;t all that great. A man hell-bent on revenge for the loss of his world - in particular his wife and daughter - to a natural disaster?? All because someone failed to help, not because that someone intended to destroy that world?&quot; 
 
A lot of people have made this complaint, and while I understand it, I don&#039;t agree with it.  Think about 9/11.  That was a couple of buildings and merely thousands of people - and people are STILL having nightmares about it 8 years after the fact.  This man lost not just his beloved wife and unborn child, but his PLANET. Billions of people.  His entire culture and race.  Then, in going after Spock, he goes through a black hole, gets shot into another time, and has 25 years to brood and simmer.  Not only that, but he&#039;s a Romulan.  They&#039;re the kin to Vulcans who DON&#039;T have their emotions in check.  It surprises me that people say that this villain &quot;makes no sense&quot; or that he&#039;s a bad villain because he&#039;s irrational in his pain.  Aren&#039;t we all?  And if we lost our PLANET, might we not be thinking too clearly?? 
 
Also, I&#039;d recommend reading the movie prequel comic, &quot;Star Trek: Countdown&quot;, which both my friend Adam and I reviewed on this site.  There, you get Nero&#039;s whole backstory, and I think you&#039;ll like him a whole lot. 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;But they&rsquo;re still incredibly stupid for staying like they did!&quot; </p>
<p>I actually liked this moment.  It allowed Kirk to show for the first time what the Federation is all about.  He gave Nero the chance to work with them, and was gambling on the fact that perhaps this &quot;villain&quot; could be redeemed after all.  However, I also love that when Nero said he&#039;d &quot;rather die&quot;, Kirk was like, &quot;OK.&quot; </p>
<p>&quot;The Vulcan children picking on Spock didn&rsquo;t make much sense &#8211; they were exhibiting the very behavior they were accusing him for exhibiting, being emotional and hostile!&quot; </p>
<p>Yes, but remember that they are indeed children &#8211; imitating the behavior of adults without really having the know-how.  None of them are anywhere near the Vulcan (adult) ritual of Kolinhar, which would purge emotion completely.  Also, I&#039;d argue that their taunting was extremely logical. <img src='http://www.pinkraygun.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   They saw Spock as something that was detrimental to them and their species, so they were trying to get him riled up to prove he didn&#039;t belong and perhaps get him removed from their school.  </p>
<p>&quot;The villain wasn&rsquo;t all that great. A man hell-bent on revenge for the loss of his world &#8211; in particular his wife and daughter &#8211; to a natural disaster?? All because someone failed to help, not because that someone intended to destroy that world?&quot; </p>
<p>A lot of people have made this complaint, and while I understand it, I don&#039;t agree with it.  Think about 9/11.  That was a couple of buildings and merely thousands of people &#8211; and people are STILL having nightmares about it 8 years after the fact.  This man lost not just his beloved wife and unborn child, but his PLANET. Billions of people.  His entire culture and race.  Then, in going after Spock, he goes through a black hole, gets shot into another time, and has 25 years to brood and simmer.  Not only that, but he&#039;s a Romulan.  They&#039;re the kin to Vulcans who DON&#039;T have their emotions in check.  It surprises me that people say that this villain &quot;makes no sense&quot; or that he&#039;s a bad villain because he&#039;s irrational in his pain.  Aren&#039;t we all?  And if we lost our PLANET, might we not be thinking too clearly?? </p>
<p>Also, I&#039;d recommend reading the movie prequel comic, &quot;Star Trek: Countdown&quot;, which both my friend Adam and I reviewed on this site.  There, you get Nero&#039;s whole backstory, and I think you&#039;ll like him a whole lot.</p>
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		<title>By: TrinityVixen</title>
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		<dc:creator>TrinityVixen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 14:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of my favorite moments had to be Nimoy-Spock meeting Quinto-Spock. It&#039;s funny that, to my memory, Quinto-Spock was way more emotional and human than Nimoy-Spock as was in TOS. However, in this case, Nimoy-Spock had done so much more living and adapting that he seemed emminently more human as a result. It&#039;s so funny that those associations I had got turned on their head by that one meeting. 
 
Plus Spock just taught himself that he could lie. I would like more made of this, kthnxbai. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of my favorite moments had to be Nimoy-Spock meeting Quinto-Spock. It&#039;s funny that, to my memory, Quinto-Spock was way more emotional and human than Nimoy-Spock as was in TOS. However, in this case, Nimoy-Spock had done so much more living and adapting that he seemed emminently more human as a result. It&#039;s so funny that those associations I had got turned on their head by that one meeting. </p>
<p>Plus Spock just taught himself that he could lie. I would like more made of this, kthnxbai.</p>
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		<title>By: Sylvia Bond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sylvia Bond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 12:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the way you talk about this, the way you describe the mixing of the old and the new. And especially how you talk about the timeline changes and how they&#039;ll give us the opportunity to delve into the characters more, to find out more about them. The reprisals of each of the characters was the central reason, to me, why this movie worked so well. Anyone can do special effects these days, but to give them meaning and context takes more talent and brains. 
 
Regards, 
 
Sylvia   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the way you talk about this, the way you describe the mixing of the old and the new. And especially how you talk about the timeline changes and how they&#039;ll give us the opportunity to delve into the characters more, to find out more about them. The reprisals of each of the characters was the central reason, to me, why this movie worked so well. Anyone can do special effects these days, but to give them meaning and context takes more talent and brains. </p>
<p>Regards, </p>
<p>Sylvia</p>
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