Stargate Atlantis: The Queen
By Wolfen Moondaughter
I was looking forward to this Alan McCullough-penned ep almost as much as “The Shrine”, and I was not disappointed! It was interesting to see the more forceful side of Todd — he’s usually so easy-going, like he’s constantly bemused. And yet it didn’t seem at all out of character — we’ve seen hints of this more aggressive, authoritative side before. Of course, I’m biased — I adore “teh Hyerdahl”! Todd is easily my fave character outside of McShep, so this ep was a great treat.
I readily admit that, when I was first getting into the series last year, it took me a long while to warm up to Teyla — in fact, she was one of the reasons I didn’t watch the series when it first started. I was very happy with her in this ep, though, both in regards to her characterisation and her overall screentime. Which is funny, since once upon a time I would have been hoping for less of her; now, I’m glad she got a lot, having felt she’d been a little neglected of late. Conversely, I had worried that the boyos wouldn’t be in it much, but they had a fairly firm presence too, without actually stealing the spotlight from Teyla and Todd.
All in all, I am well pleased!
5.8: “The Queen”
We see a jumper pop out of a space ‘Gate. (We also see Joe Flanigan’s name appear on the screen, followed by those of his co-stars, which thoroughly confuses me. It turns out that the network’s decided that the intro was too long; they fear people may change channels during the wait, so they’re showing the stars’ names over the show itself now, instead. Never mind how strong the show’s numbers have been this season; never mind that, despite how supportive viewers have been, they decided to cancel the show anyway in favour of a new show aimed at a younger demographic; now, they see fit to accuse us of having the attention spans of preschoolers. If we would turn off the show that easily, it wouldn’t be doing so very well, now would it? If they had shortened the intro with the intent of packing in an extra thirty seconds of show, rather than more commercial time, I would have been more understanding. Or if I knew this extra commercial time would ensure another season! As it stands, I don’t know y’all, but I loved the music and the visuals of the intros and applaud the people who put it together; if anything would make me change stations during the commercial break, it would be an exceedingly annoying commercial — and I would keep checking back for the show to start! Aaanyway ….) Inside the jumper, we find the usual suspects plus a nervous-seeming Keller. (I’m intrigued!)
McKay mutters that they should have brought back-up; Teyla counters that it’s supposed to be a diplomatic mission, asking what kind of message doing that would send; “A strong one,” McKay replies. Sheppard assures him, pointedly, that they’ll be fine if no one panics. “Easier said than done,” Rodney returns distractedly as he works with the controls. (Hmm, I never really thought about it before, but it’s nice to see that Rodney makes himself useful as a copilot.)
They come upon a hive ship. Keller is awed, and deeply unsettled, by the size, never having seen one in person before. “Ah, you never forget your first,” Rodney remarks offhandedly. (*Snicker* Is that supposed to be double-entendre regarding his budding romance with her?) They receive docking instructions; McKay and Sheppard remark at the lack of a warm reception. (Like the Atlantians would be all that welcoming, were the roles reversed?) They park the ‘jumper, Keller asking what’s next; Rodney says dryly that, if history is any indicator, this is the part where they get double-crossed and made prisoners. (Now, now, that was the time before last. And you weren’t exactly double-crossed or made prisoners then.) Teyla chides him, reminding him that they were invited; but as far as he’s concerned, that’s doesn’t mean anything. There’s a knock on the rear door; as Ronon, Sheppard, and Teyla rise and prepare to meet their hosts, Jennifer looks nervously to Rodney, who gives her a not-at-all reassuring look, then joins the others. Sure enough, when the back of the ‘jumper opens, they find a squad of drones aiming stunners at them. (A la “Be All My Sins Remembered” — déjà vu!)
Todd orders the squad to lower their weapons, apologising but pointing out how one can never be too careful. Welcoming them, he leads them to a room where he introduces them to his second-in-command, then heartily invites them to sit at a table adorned with candles and fruit bowls. (The atmosphere, thanks to the candles, looks warm, and lacks the typical Wraith fog, reinforcing the feeling that Todd is sincere in his hospitality.) Sheppard remarks on the fruit; Todd explains that they picked them on their travels, saying that he thought they would make the discussions more comfortable and adding that he hopes the fruit “prove as delicious as the farmers who grew them.” The remark seems to put Rodney off the food. (Haaaaaaa! A little Wraith humour again, Todd? Very funny, and a good reminder to the Atlantians of just whom they are dealing with.) Sheppard suggests that they just get this over with.
Todd gets the ball rolling, remarking inquisitively that they have a proposal, something about a breakthrough that they’ve had. (Whoa, hold the phone — they proposed this meeting? And yet they were uptight about their reception? They put Todd in irons when he visited them with a proposal — with good reason, to be certain, but why should they have expected any less of him regarding their visit? This speaks very well of him, that he’s offered them free movement, not to mention allowed them to keep their weapons and offered them food!) They introduce Todd to a nervous Keller, who haltingly tells him about Michael; Todd informs her that he knows who Michael is, adding that his people are grateful for the Atlantians’ success against him. Sheppard points out that they didn’t get rid of Michael for Todd and the rest of the Wraith’s sake. (Aww, come on, Shep, can’t you cut Todd a little slack already, especially after he saved Jeannie and his intel helped you find Beckett? Not to mention that he’s helped you in other instances and never betrayed you! Well, I suppose it’s best to be wary, especially since thus far any help Todd has given has been to his own advantage in some way, however vague; still, it makes me a bit sad, given how needlessly friendly he has always been.) Todd grows a little alarmed when Keller informs him that they’ve been working with Michael’s research; Keller explains that they’ve developed a treatment that will make it so that the Wraith need never feed again. Todd exchanges an unsettled glance with his second, who protests that the idea is “absurd”. (It’s funny, I play Todd in an RPG, and I had him approach the Atlantians about using Michael’s research in order to eliminate the need for feeding, as a tactical advantage. It’s interesting to see how on-target I was in one respect, yet how off-target I was in regards to who broached the idea.)
Keller goes on to explain that the Wraith’s bodies already have the organs needed to digest food (as was hinted in “Condemned”, by the Wraith commander who liked food, and confirmed in “Instinct”, with Jewel Staite’s other character in the franchise, the Wraith girl Elia). Sheppard tosses Todd a fruit, telling him to try it; Todd catches it in his feeding hand, in a way that allows us to get a good look at the red line down his palm (aka, the “handgina”, which, alas, doesn’t speak like the mouth in Vampire Hunter D’s palm). Without obliging, Todd points out, slightly irritated, that the fruit might give him a moment’s pleasure but won’t sustain him, and sets the fruit down pointedly. “But that can change — at least, in theory,” Keller says. Todd’s second asks, sounding more hostile, why they should even want that. John points out that they wouldn’t need to go through the trouble of culling anymore, Teyla adding that it would give them an advantage over other hives. (Which, funnily enough, was exactly the reasoning I had my Todd give when he was trying to talk the Atlantians into sharing the research.) “Not to mention I could stop waiting for the chance to kill you — in theory,” John finishes. (I’m torn between being disappointed at the hostility of that remark and pleased that it can also be construed as saying that they might become friends, rather than reluctant allies, if this works.)
Todd’s second points out that the way they feed now is what gives the Wraith their strength and longevity. (I’m surprised they really care so much about these points, considering that they seem pretty ready to throw their lives away for the hive, and that they likewise seem unconcerned with the lives of other individual Wraith. If this plan would ensure the ultimate longevity of the hive as a whole, what matters the individual life spans?) Keller admits that she’s not sure how the new process would affect those abilities, but suggests that they may retain them, “although possibly in a diminished form.” “Possibly?” Todd asks, decidedly unenthusiastic. Keller explains that there’s no way to know until they test it on a live subject. (So capture an enemy Wraith and test it already! Besides, would Michael have been so keen to rid his hybrids of the need to feed if it meant they would be substantially weaker than the Wraith? I wouldn’t think so. Also, consider the fact that the iratus bug probably had regenerative abilities like all bugs, which had nothing to do with draining actual lifeforce; they fed on just blood, right? So just make sure the Wraith are well-stocked in beef bullion ….)
Todd just stares at Keller, slack-jawed. (That scene’s dying for a caption, something like a thought-balloon that reads “These humans are freakin’ nuts!”) McKay (who had been watching the exchange with an expression that reminds me, adorably, of an inquisitive-but-slightly-fearful child listening in on an adult conversation — an expression I think he wears a lot during discussions that it seems he can’t really contribute to) gets a bit smug as he points out that Michael’s drug might still be out there, so Todd’s people are taking a risk every time they feed. (Glad to see him lose his apprehension, but, as a poster pointed out on Mallozzi’s blog, what happened to the research that they offered Todd in exchange for the intel for finding Teyla? I guess Todd wasn’t able to develop a cure from it? I’d hate to think they’d short-changed him — it wasn’t his fault Teyla wasn’t there ….) Sheppard then gives the best argument: the Wraith are low on food, and this is their chance to do something about the problem. Todd still looks shocked, saying nothing. (The scene is very good exposition, on the whole — it entertainingly explains what the Atlantians’ intentions are, as well as effectively explores why the Wraith might be interested and why they might be reluctant, in a very natural-sounding conversation ….)
As they wait for Todd to discuss things in private with his second. Ronon complains about them being there in the first place. (This situation is, after all, very similar to the circumstances under which they meddled with Michael. The key difference here being that they’re giving the Wraith a choice in the matter this time. Not to mention how last time what they offered was a weapon, while what they offer now is decidedly not one.) McKay protests that it seems to be going well, to which Sheppard unenthusiastically agrees; John is unsettled by the fact that Todd’s not putting up resistance to the idea, though, feeling that Todd intends to say yes. Teyla asks why Todd shouldn’t, saying, “It is a reasonable offer.” Ronon cuts the musing short, arguing that they should be trying to kill them, not fix them. (It amuses me to see Ronon all gung-ho to kill Todd — oh Ronon, if you only knew ….) McKay points out that they’ve been trying to kill the Wraith for four years, Teyla adding that they aren’t doing what they’re proposing to help the Wraith anyway. (Which is a nod to the fact that Carson was trying to “help” the Wraith. Me, I was always confused as to how making them human was his answer to relieving them of their “unnatural state — shouldn’t he have been trying to make them bugs again, then? Ah, well, I digress ….) John’s still on his original train of though, saying that something’s happening that the Wraith aren’t telling them, to which Ronon remarks, “Big surprise!” (Like you guys haven’t kept things from Todd or planned to double-cross him!)
Todd returns, prompting Ronon to charge up his weapon. Pausing, Todd apologises, asking if he’s disturbing them (and seems genuine about asking, not sarcastic). Sheppard tells him to come in (thankfully not in a tone that suggests he feels like he owns the place, but rather in a more chagrined, gracious one), and Todd does, saying that he’s considered their offer. Sheppard remarks that that was fast; Todd ignores this observation, saying that he feels the idea has merit, if they can make it work. (Without significantly diminishing your abilities, you mean?) Keller assures him that it will. (But not that it won’t diminish their abilities, right?) Todd points out that changing his hive alone would be pointless — it would have little benefit to the humans, and would make his hive pariahs (as we saw with Michael). McKay points out that Todd claimed to be working with a group of hives; Todd assures him that he does, but adds the caveat that he may have exaggerated his position among them. Exchanging a dejected look with McKay (*squee*), Sheppard realises, unhappily, that Todd means that “he doesn’t have the clout.” “Then he’s no good to us,” Ronon evilly and gleefully announces. (No not only would they not be going through with a plan he doesn’t approve of, but he probably figures he can just kill Todd now ….)
Todd tells them, smoothly, “There’s only one you need to convince.” (I flash back to his Highlander reference in “The Kindred, Part 1″.) He explains that, if they con convince the head queen of the alliance, the Primary, the rest of the hives will “fall in line”; the problem is that she won’t listen to anyone but another queen, and his, as Teyla reminds us, was killed in battle in the skies above Atlantis (in “The Seer”). He then reveals that the Primary doesn’t know that his queen is dead; John is astonished and impressed that Todd has been bluffing the Primary and the rest of the alliance all this time. (Which brings up all sorts of interesting questions. For one, seeing as his entire hive was destroyed, along with his queen, where did he get this hive, that he has now? Did he have other cruisers loyal to his queen, and they built a new hive? Do they not need queens to make hive ships? Did they steal a hive? When he lost his hive, he seemed crushed — could it be that he wasn’t mourning the loss of his command, or even his people, but that queen? Did he serve her? Or was she a pawn that he controlled as the power behind the throne?) Todd points out that he wouldn’t have maintained his position otherwise, but for what they propose, a face-to-face meeting with the Primary is in order; therefore, there’s only one person who can help him pull this off: Teyla. (And as much as I’d love to believe Todd is all for their plan, I have a sneaking suspicion at this moment that this was the whole reason he agreed to this talk; he needs to “prove” to the Wraith that his hive still has a queen, probably having gone on for too long without such contact.)
Back in Atlantis, in Sheppard’s quarters, John and Teyla debate the situation. John’s clearly unenthusiastic about the plan. Teyla assures him that Keller says “the procedure is completely reversible and will have no lasting ill effects.” He remarks that even if the Wraith stop feeding, that doesn’t mean they’ll become friends, particularly as they have a technological advantage; Teyla realises that he fears they will just make slaves of the humans instead, and he points out that it had happened in his own galaxy. (Ooh, with the Goa’uld! That hadn’t even occurred to me. He has a point, though: they’d need someone to gather and farm for them, after all. But were I one of their potential victims, I think I’d prefer farming and giving a tithe of fruit to being drained of life ….) Annoyed, Teyla remarks that he didn’t voice this objection before. He points out that no one was asking her to risk her life before, either. (Ah, okay, so when there was no risk involved it was worth a shot, but the potential gain, in his eyes, is no longer worth the risk, now that the stakes have risen.) She points out that, with her DNA, she’s the only one who can do this and not be detected by the Queen. As far as he’s concerned, that doesn’t matter: why not let the Wraith kill each other off first? She counters that the war could end at any time, or Todd’s hive could be destroyed, and they’d lose any chance they have, with Wraith life going back to the way it was before the war. If their plan can save even a few of the people who will be culled soon, it’s worth it to Teyla, for her son’s sake if not her own. (Another great bit of veiled exposition/lantern-hanging, exploring the “whys” and “why not”s and coming up with sound reasoning, as far as I’m concerned, for the why. Also a nice bit of interplay between these two good friends, and great exploration of the core of their characters! I love how pleading John got ….) Amelia then radios the unhappy Sheppard, announcing Todd’s arrival.
In the infirmary, Keller and Teyla get ready for the procedure. Keller apologises, feeling like her research has forced Teyla into this. Teyla assures her that she has not been pressured, adding that Keller needs to remember how her research will save many lives. (A perfect example of how Teyla’s so good at putting people’s minds at ease — as well as great set-up to illustrate, by contrast, how vey not at ease she is herself, later!) On his way to the infirmary himself (escorted, but not in chains this time), Todd is stopped by Ronon. “Can I help you?” Todd asks. (*Snicker* So polite!) Ronon warns that, should anything happen to Teyla, there won’t be anywhere in the universe that Todd can hide. “Is that all?” Todd asks with a small nod, bemused. Ronon grins malevolently and moved out of Todd’s way. “Right,” Todd says flippantly, resuming his course. He strides confidently into the infirmary, asking cheerfully how his patient is. Keller assures him that Teyla is fine, and he heads over to a pair of computers, giving an enthusiastic, “Let’s get started!” Keller assures Teyla that Todd is just there as an advisor; she’s the one performing the surgery. (Surgery? This confuses me — I assumed it would be a matter of transforming her, genetically, similarly to the way John was in “Conversion”, or even as Michael was when Carson first altered him. Is this cosmetic surgery, then? How in the world do they give her that vein-y look and such, as Wraith have? I would have thought, if a retrovirus wasn’t doable, prosthetics would be the way to go ….)
We see Keller work with Todd over a period of time. The boyos are overhead in the observation deck, Rodney turning away, unable to watch, while Sheppard and Ronon look grimly on. (at least until Ronon looks at McKay — I wonder if he’s annoyed at McKay for abandoning the post or worried for how he’s taking it?) A little later, waiting in a lounge, Rodney whinges, wanting to know when they’ll get to see Teyla. Sheppard tells him to relax. “I can’t! I’ve had like three cups of coffee; I’m completely wired!” (Only three?) “Really? I hadn’t noticed …” Ronon deadpans. (*Snicker*) Keller lets them know they can see her; Sheppard hesitantly leads the way. The boys are unsettled to find Teyla with her new Wraith features — and voice. Personally, it’s her new cleft chin that’s getting to me the most. Luttrell doesn’t have but the very, very faintest hint of one, so why did they do that?)
On his hive ship, Todd tells Teyla to assume her throne — then basically rips her a new one for not being confident enough. (Ohmygods, he’s channeling Colin Mochrie from the “Hollywood Director” segments of Whose Line is it Anyway! It’s very intriguing to see him get so pissy! And it’s a change of pace to see Teyla so disconcerted — although, like she said, it’s certainly understandable for her to be so.) He warns that if she can’t be believable, she’ll get them both killed, saying that the Primary will sense her apprehension. “Well, given the circumstances …” Teyla starts to point out. “It may be understandable, but it is not acceptable!” he snaps. (A distinction few people ever make or seem to grasp — I like him even more for it!) Warning her that she must never show weakness, he orders her to try again. (This reminds me a little bit of that scene in Pretty Woman, where Barney is trying to instruct Vivian on how to use the cutlery. Although Barney was much nicer and patient there than Todd is being here.)
The boys are left waiting again, with Rodney asking how long it’s going to take. (Déjà vu — again!) Sheppard chide that it will take as long as it takes until Todd’s satisfied that Teyla can pass as a queen — and as far as John’s concerned, he’d rather they take their time. Rodney says she’s already too convincing and it creeps him out. (Yeah, especially considering how up-close and personal he got to that one Wraith queen in “Spoils of War”! By the way, I love the screens running Wraith computer stuff in the background — pretty!) John insists that she’s still Teyla; Ronon suggests that that’s the problem. (Good insight from Ronon once again — save that Teyla has held her own against two queens already! I say she’s got the strength to pull it off because she is herself; it’s not something she must struggle to do in spite of being herself.) Sheppard says he’s not any happier about it than they are, but reminds them that Todd’s own life is at risk; he doesn’t think Todd would go through with it if he didn’t think it could be pulled off. (Except that Todd doesn’t seem all that terribly concerned about his own life half the time — for all we know, the Primary could have warned him that he’s a dead commander if he doesn’t produce his queen. He could figure he’s screwed anyway if he doesn’t try this, so it’s worth a shot ….)
Todd comes in, and we learn that Teyla is resting. (Etiquette and poise lessons are hard work — just ask Anya, from Anastasia!) Todd informs them that the Primary has instructed them to go meet her. Rodney asks what the plan is; Todd says that, when they see the Primary, “Teyla will put forth my proposal”. McKay makes a snide comment about to Todd referring to the proposal as his own. “Believe me, the less the Primary knows about my dealings with the humans of Atlantis, the better,” Todd replies. (Why? She had to know you were dealing with humans when you teamed up with the Atlantians and the Travelers against the Replicators!) Sheppard worries that the Queen may not buy the proposal if she doesn’t know about the Atlantian’s involvement, to which Todd diplomatically explains that the alliance has had some recent setbacks. Ronon realises, with a grin, that Todd means they’re getting their asses kicked. Agreeing readily, Todd approaches Ronon, say that the one thing stronger than the Primary’s pride “is her instinct for survival.” His lip curls faintly. (I think he likes Ronon, after a fashion, appreciating his spunky attitude. Hell, they all seem fond of him, save Michael ….)
Todd’s hive arrives at the rendezvous. Todd, Teyla, and the second stand together, the second at a console. Todd tells Teyla, encouragingly, not to be nervous; she unconvincingly says she’s not. Not looking thrilled, Todd nods at the second, who then activates a viewscreen. We see the Primary. (Whoa, it’s not Andee Frizzell, who is usually the Wraith queens! According to IMDB, it’s Apollonia Vanova, who also apparently had a bit part on SG-1, as a Russian weapons officer. This queen totally makes me think of the Wicked Witch of the West, in the MGM Wizard of Oz film, too.) The Primary snootily remarks that many in her crew were starting to believe Teyla (well, the queen she’s portraying) didn’t even exist. Teyla says she wants the Primary to point them out to her, so that she “may remove all doubt from their minds.” The Primary assures her that such will not be necessary anymore, they says, invitingly, for Teyla to come over, adding with some slight menace (which comes across mostly as just catty) that Teyla should not make her wait again. (She makes me think of a leader among high school popular girls, one who is inexplicably impressed by the new girl and, while wanting her to join the group, also wants the newcomer to be clear of her lower status and that she’s on probation. Well, I suppose in some ways, that’s exactly the case ….) After the Primary signs off, Todd remarks to Teyla that the Primary likes her. Teyla is surprised by this, but Todd assures her that that “was as warm a reception as we might expect.” (Something in his tone and he way he looks at Teyla makes me think Todd’s somewhat fond of Teyla himself. I’m not sure if I would say in that way — I’m not even sure if any Wraith like each other that way, given their insect-like qualities — but it’s here that I start to wonder if Todd would perhaps like this arrangement to be permanent after all, like he really is grooming her to be queen.)
Teyla updates our boys. Sheppard tries to give her a chance to back out, but she won’t take it, determined to see it through. Rodney assures her that if something should go wrong, they’re right there. (Awwww. Besides being sweet, his tone is oddly confident for him. I like that he’s showing so much concern for her here; looking back at old episodes in repeats, it’s wonderful to see how far he’s come emotionally; he used to be soooo detached ….) Sheppard insists, with his typical denial, that nothing will go wrong. Rodney starts to say of course nothing will, but if it does …. “Rodney,” Sheppard says, chidingly (though not angrily, as he might have in the past). “Which it won’t,” Rodney amends. (*Snicker* Awww, those two ….) She gets a pensive look; Ronon steps forward and tells her, in a tone that says they have her back and she shouldn’t worry, to just be careful. Still looking uncertain, she nods and leaves. (Yup, for an ep I worried would be all Teyla, this ep has a lot of fantastic team interaction, exactly the sort of stuff I was looking most forward to this season!)
Todd and Teyla take a shuttle over, and are greeted by a bald commander and a big squad of drones. (Note that this ship is all foggy.) Baldy greets them, “Welcome to my ship.” (His ship?) Teyla asks, impatiently, where his queen is. Baldy assures her that she will meet the Primary “in time” — then gives the order for the ship to jump to hyperspace! Todd protests that this wasn’t part of their agreement; Baldy retorts that they couldn’t expect them to conduct the talks within weapons-range of their hive. (Um, with Teyla on board; why would her hive open fire on you? If they were going to do that, wouldn’t they have done it while she was still with them?) Looking hurt and baffled, Todd points out that they are apart of the same alliance, asking if Baldy doesn’t trust them. (Proof of Todd’s having honour, I think — he seems genuinely disappointed at this betrayal.) Baldy, seeming a little apologetic, says tat he makes it a practice not to trust anyone he doesn’t know, adding that this is what his queen wanted. (He’s the Fox Mulder of the Wraith!) Teyla gives him a dirty look, and he beckons them to follow him, adding a please. (He’s polite, too! So the Wraith culture is very courtly, all prim and proper behavior masking back-stabbing, it seems ….) Teyla gives Todd a wary look, and he bows. (I wonder if the bow is meant to be an assurance that she should indeed follow Baldy as much as the required deference to his Queen? Or maybe even a reminder that she should go first?) Baldy’s hive jumps.
In Todd’s hive, the boyos confront the second, demanding to know what’s happening. He tells them about the other ship jumping. While McKay is flabbergasted, Sheppard points out that this wasn’t supposed to happen; the second agrees. (This seems to throw Sheppard and Rodney, who probably expected to learn now that Todd had in deed betrayed them.) Ronon ask where the ship went; the second doesn’t know. Ronon insists that the second is lying, drawing his blaster. The drones surround them with raised stunners; Rodney nervously calls out Ronon’s name. The second reiterates that he knows nothing about what has happened. Sheppard says Ronon’s name, quietly; Ronon reluctantly lowers his gun. (Oooh, beautiful example of how Ronon defers to Sheppard even over his own instincts! He’s so very like a dog in some respects!) The second remarks that they will just have to trust each other, clearly no happier about it than they are, yet as gracious as Todd.
Baldy leads Todd and Teyla to the throne room, announces that the Primary will be with them shortly, and leaves. Teyla whirls on Todd, who assures her that he had no idea this would happen, but if the Primary wanted them dead she would have had them killed already. (I believe him, but is it really wise for you two to discuss this now?) “And if she begins to suspect? We are trapped on this ship!” Teyla snaps. Todd insists, soothingly, that they just need to stick to the plan, and everything will be fine. The Primary arrives, and is immediately snippy about Todd’s presence. (Now she looks like Buffy’s Drusilla to me — I think it’s the hair and her outfit.) Todd bows and backs away. The Primary gets up in Teyla’s face as Teyla explains that she thought he would be useful, seeing as he’d been the one the Primary had dealt with until now. The Primary snaps that’s he doesn’t like surprises. Teyla tartly points out that she doesn’t either, but the Primary surprised her with taking the ship into hyperspace. (See, Teyla? It’s not so hard!) The Primary suggests that Teyla might have done the same in her shoes (and for that moment, the Primary is actually sympathetic. Also, nice foreshadowing of Teyla’s taking over!) After a moment, Teyla accepts it. Mostly mollified, the Primary suggests that they sit — when Todd suddenly draws a knife and stabs it into the Primary’s neck, killing her! (Whoa, I wasn’t expecting hat!! It’s kind of too bad, too; I was intrigued by the Primary!) The Primary taps a pendant around her neck as she dies, sounding the alarm.
Todd presses the murder weapon into Teyla’s shocked hand, apologising for how things must be. He then gives a reluctant Teyla the 411 on Wraith culture: this is the typical means by which power changes hands. The crew might not be happy about it, but they don’t like to be without a Queen. They will take Teyla’s killing the Primary as a sign that said Primary was growing weak and therefore deserved to be deposed, and accept Teyla as their new queen — unless they don’t find Teyla to be a capable queen herself, in which case they will kill them both. Baldy and his drones arrive, and Teyla announces that she has taken what is rightfully hers. Baldy and the others threaten her for what she has done, Baldy in grief for the loss of his queen, but she remains steadfast, saying they are better off with her than the former queen. Todd steps in front of her and belittles Baldy; she grabs Todd, drives him to his knees (no small feat considering how much he towers over her), and holds the knife to his throat, berating him for speaking for her. Her action convinces the others (partially, I think, because it genuinely surprised Todd): when she orders him to drop the ship out of hyperspace and run a diagnostic so she can know the condition of her new flagship, then also orders the body of the former Primary (which she calls a “thing”) taken out of her sight, Baldy tells her, “Yes, my queen.”
The hive drops out of hyperspace. Todd comes into the throne room, which is empty save for Teyla, and informs her that the crew has been fooled. She lays into him for risking their lives. He insists that he had no choice, that the Primary wasn’t going to accept their proposal; she doesn’t appreciate that he killed the Primary nor that he made her take the blame. Todd points out that if they’d known he had done it, they would have killed him and captured her, which was not the desired outcome. (Interesting that males cannot assume power, no matter if they are strong enough to kill a queen, and are treated as a lower order despite being powerful leaders when the queen is not present. And yet they have the power to decide if a queen is worthy and execute her for failure t meet standards, in a bizarre sort of checks and balances. This peek into Wraith culture is fascinating!) Todd goes on to remind her that Wraith culture is different from that of humans. (And how wonderful that he is insightful enough to understand this and respect the fact!)
He tells her that it was important for her to claim ownership of the act. She insists that he should have told her of his intention to make her Queen; he says (in what I perceive to be regretful tones) that he didn’t think she would have gone through with it, and she agrees, calling his plan foolish and reckless. He explains that most Wraith are not comfortable living without a queen, and insists that that he was certain that they would not be able to resist her. “Most of them?” she asks, incredulous. (She’s probably wondering what would happen if there were some who didn’t feel they needed a Queen. Me, I’m wondering if Todd is an exception, or does he want a queen too? I’m thinking the former, but we can’t really be sure, can we?) He assures her that they achieved what they’d set out to do: she’s now the Primary, so they can implement Keller’s plan. (But will they? I want to believe they will, given his honourable track record, but will Todd really follow through, or is he only saying so to mollify Teyla now? Todd very much strikes me as the type who will do whatever is necessary to reach an end result that he perceives as right, a sort of ends justify the means sort of guy, but with good intentions. Like he’ll be honourable if the situation allows, but wouldn’t allow the desire to be honourable interfere with getting the job done ….) Teyla figures he doesn’t need her anymore, then, and wants to leave, ordering him to take her back to his ship in a tone that makes her sound like a true queen. Sounding like he’s losing patience a little, he says that she must wait until order is restored, but then, yes, she can go. (I hope this isn’t a ruse on his part, that he isn’t thinking of making this job permanent for her somehow by making more excuses for her to stick around. And I hope that he’s thinking of killing her when she’s done, and pretending she’s still alive too! At any rat, it makes me nervous that these two are speaking so loudly and freely, even if the room is empty).
Back in the other hive, Ronon still thinks this was all a set-up; Sheppard insist that Kenny seemed surprised when it went down. “Kenny?” McKay asks, confused; Sheppard, of course, has named the second in command. While Mckay starts griping about the name and how they should pick them together (*snicker* foucs, Rodney), Ronon and Sheppard continue the conversation seriously, Ronon suggesting Kenny simply wasn’t in on it, while Sheppard counters that Todd could have taken Teyla prisoner from the beginning if he were in on it, so that doesn’t add up. (Except that she wouldn’t be terribly useful if she felt she were a prisoner. I think the bigger clue in Todd’s defence is that you’d all be in the brig right now, or dead, if this had been a trap set by Todd. Why would he have left Kenny out of the loop?) Ronon asks what they’re going to do; McKay chimes in that they need to get to get off the ship, so as to not still be surrounded by Wraith. (Okay, I can agree with that — while I think the Wraith have no harmful intentions towards them at the moment, that could change for any multitude of reasons in the blink of an eye. Just because the sharks aren’t in a frenzy right now doesn’t mean you wanna stay in the thick of them if you can help it.) Sheppard points out that all they have is the jumper (heh, guess he’s not keen on trying to take the hive over *wink*) and asks where McKay wants to go. Rodney suggests they find a ‘Gate and get back to Atlantis, resuming the search for Teyla from there; Sheppard asks how. (And isn’t that a depressing thought, having to look for Teyla all over again?) McKay admits he hasn’t thought that out yet. Before they can discuss their options further, though, Kenny arrives, Rodney noticing and indicating with body language that they have company. (Wow, Rodney actually paid attention and shut up for once! *Snicker*) “We have something,” Kenny tells them.
“The Primary’s hive has dropped out of hyperspace,” Kenny tells them, showing them Todd’s transmitter signal. (Man, he’s getting good use out of that thing! Seriously, has he studied Pavlov? ‘Cause every time he activates that thing, the Atlantians come running ….) Kenney reveals that the hive is in empty space by a nebula; McKay wonders what they’re doing out there, but Sheppard doesn’t care, just wanting to go after them. (What perfect examples of their respective personalities!) Kenney informs them that he’s already plotted the course, but warns that their unannounced arrival will arouse suspicion. Sheppard says they’ll worry about that later, as the transmitter is the closest thing they have to a distress signal. (Of course, in this instance, it’s more like Todd’s hailed a taxi, as Teyla can simply tell her new crew that she wishes to return to her ship. Then again, he might have set the thing off the moment they were taken into hyperspace, but the hive he’s in might have picked up on that and gotten suspicious.) They jump to hyperspace.
Baldy approaches a whispering Teyla and Todd, apologising for intruding and trying to hand her a datapad, saying that they’ve “received an urgent report”. (Which of course she wouldn’t be able to read — perhaps she ought to make rectifying that her next task). Todd pushes at the pad, asking if Baldy intends to make her read it. Nonplussed but chastised, Baldy apologises and reveals that an enemy hive has been spotted above one of their feeding grounds. “Have you tried to contact them?” Todd asks, incredulous, as if wondering why he would bother her over it. (He’s doing a great job of intervening for Teyla without it looking like he’s intervening; rather, as this new Primary’s right-hand man, he’s putting the former one in his place.) Baldy says that the other hive will not respond to their hails. Teyla tells him to dispatch the closest hive to investigate; he informs her that they are the closest hive. She insists that they must remain where they are, prompting a perplexed and suspicious look from Baldy. Todd suggests to his queen that they discuss this in private. (Ooh, big risk there, but I don’t see as Todd has any choice.) Rolling her eyes, she orders Baldy to lave them. He does, but when the doors close behind him, we see that the gears are turning in his shiny head. Back in the throne room, Todd says they must investigate, else the crew will perceive it as weakness and not understand. “Then let them be confused!” she snaps. “Spoken like a true queen,” he says, grinning, before warning that if she makes the crew suspicious or seems irrational, she will lose them. Teyla asks about his ship, pointing out that it’s on its way; he explains that they will learn of this hive’s new location when they arrive. (Besides, now that they aren’t captives of the old Primary, what difference does it make? It’s not like they can’t hail them and meet up with them later!) Resigned, she tells him to tell the bridge to set a new course.
Meanwhile, the boys make rescue plans (sans Kenny). Sheppard remarks that Kenny’s right: the other hive will sense them as soon as they drop out of hyperspace. Ronon suggests that they drop out early and make the journey the rest of the way by ‘jumper. (For a moment, I think that won’t help, as the other hive should still be able to sense them from a distance, but then I realise the point is that they won’t be close enough for the other hive to open fire.) Sheppard counters that that would take too long (they could jump away again, after all), saying what they need is a diversion. McKay asks what kind; Ronon asks if Sheppard is thinking what he’s thinking. Sheppard remarks that he doesn’t think they can rely on Kenny to give the order. “We don’t give him a choice,” Ronon replies. McKay is lost for a moment. (*Snicker* It’s nice to see him be the one in the dark for a change, instead of Ronon. Well, strategy’s not his bag.) Then he realises what they’re talking about: having this hive fire on the other. He’s not keen on the idea, worrying that both ships would be destroyed. Sheppard says they’ll just have to get Teyla off the ship before that happens. He concedes that it’s risky, but the point is the longer they take, the less likely they will be to save her. (And no matter what Teyla might want, mission-wise, John will not lose her again. It’s both admirable of him and selfish … I love his flustered tone here, and the familiar way with how he addresses Rodney – another example of how far they’ve come along/gotten relaxed around each other. John cares more about Rodney’s opinion/perception these days, rather than just giving orders and that’s that.)
The Primary’s hive drops out of hyperspace. As they make their way to the bridge, Todd advises Teyla on how she should handle the situation, saying essentially that the other hive may act tough, but they really won’t want a fight any more than their own hive does. When they get to the bridge, though, Teyla shocks everyone by telling Baldy to ignore the other hive’s hails and fire on them, saying that they provoked an attack by encroaching on their territory. When Todd asks her, in undertones, what she’s doing, particularly after he told her to talk to them, she points out that he also told her to not show weakness. (Hooo, bet you’re regretting this plan now, Todd! Truthfully, I have to wonder if she’s lost it — she’ll negate the whole point of the mission if she gets them killed!) The enemy hive fires back. She orders the darts deployed, over Baldy’s misgivings, insisting that they must stand firm. Disturbed, Todd accuses her (and I worry about him being overheard), of doing it on purpose, to kill Wraith. (He seems genuinely upset by the prospect, which makes him all the more endearing to me; he does seem to genuinely care about his race, and would prefer to make peace when possible, it seems.) The battle rages on for a few moments. (It’s a cool fight!) Baldy announces that half of their first wave has been destroyed; Teyla counters that the rest are now too close to be fired upon by the enemy hive, freeing them to fire on the hive at will. Baldy protests that the other hive could launch their own darts to intercept. She insists that that will take time, adding that, with any luck, they’ve them off-guard. Todd looks sickened.
The other hive drops out of hyperspace at the Primary hive’s former location. Kenny announces that the Primary hive has moved on to one of the feeding grounds; Ronon asks what for. (My first guess would have been feeding — I would have been wrong, but it seems the most obvious reason, negating the need to even ask such a question, Ronon!) “I don’t know, I’m not on the ship,” Kenney points out reasonably, with a touch of frustration. (He reminds me of O’Neill in “The Return, Part 2″, when Woolsey kept asking him all these questions about what’s going on outside of their location, and O’Neill points out that, having been with Woolsey the whole time, he couldn’t possibly know any more than him.) Kenny adds that, were he to guess, he’d say they were going to cull. (See, he agrees with me!) The boyos discuss what to do — they want to go after the other hive, but worry that they’ll lose them if that hive jumps into hyperspace again, as Todd’s transmitter signal will be lost in hyperspace. Saying that they need to stop playing catch-up, Sheppard asks if there’s a Stargate on the planet (I assume he means the feeding ground). Kenny confirms it; Sheppard tells Kenny to drop them off, saying they’ll get there faster in the ‘jumper. (Smart! … I assume he means for Kenny to take them to a ‘Gate, seeing as they’re supposed to be by nothing but a nebula at the moment.) Kenny asks how Sheppard intends on getting aboard, but Sheppard tells him not to worry about it. (So is it that he doesn’t have a plan or that he simply doesn’t want to tell Kenny about the cloaking device, which I would have thought the Wraith already knew about?)
On the bridge of the Primary hive, Baldy reports that the other hive has deployed its darts, outnumbering their own — if they don’t recall them, they will be destroyed. Teyla snaps that their sacrifice will be remembered when their alliance rules the galaxy. The ship is rocked by a hit; they’ve lost the main weapons array. “Keep firing all other batteries!” Teyla orders. (She seems to be reaching here — I feel like her ploy is spiraling out of her control, which was tenuous in the first place.)
When our boys arrive in the ‘jumper, they are surprised to find two hives fighting. (Funny, Kenny didn’t mention that — I guess they were too far to pick up anything but Todd’s transmitter?) Rodney reports that the Primary hive has lost weapons. Ronon says they have to do something. (To keep Teyla from getting killed, of course, but it just strikes me as funny, him wanting to rush in to the aide of a hive ship.) Rodney mentions having been working on making Asgard beams for the ‘jumpers. Sheppard’s excited, until Rodney dashes his hopes, revealing that they haven’t actually gotten them made yet. Annoyed, Sheppard asks why he brought it up, then; Rodney admits he was just thinking they would be great for a situation like this. (Sorry, but I have to do it: *ROFL!!* I couldn’t blame Sheppard if he decided to smack Rodney upside the head then, but instead he just moves on — good for him.) Sheppard tells them to hold on, saying he’s “going to tip the scales a little bit.” He flies them up to the enemy hive and, to Rodney’s horror, decloaks, firing on the ship. Between his choice shots and fire from the alliance darts, the hive is destroyed. (Gotta love those Star Wars sort of maneuvers! Not to mention the fact that the special effects here are better than in most movies — it’s a really fantastic space battle!)
Baldy is astonished, reporting that the other hive has been destroyed. Todd praises Teyla, bowing. She, in turn, reprimands Baldy for questioning her tactics, then spins on her heel and hurries off the bridge. Todd gives Baldy a pointed look and follows after her, walking more casually. Still stunned (and, methinks, suspicious), Baldy orders the darts recalled. Having recloaked, John follows the darts into the docking bay of the Primary hive.
Now aboard the hive, the guys look for Teyla, but a frustrated McKay can’t really tell where they are, thinking they (the rescue team) are on the wrong level, and complains that the transmitter signal keeps moving. Sheppard sees this as a good sign — it means Todd is alive. Ronon points out that that doesn’t tell them anything about Teyla. McKay finally points them in a direction, albeit uncertainly. A few moments later, they, surreptitiously, discover the way blocked by drones. Sheppard says they’ll have to circle back. “Oh great, I have to figure this out all over again?” McKay, understandably, whinges. As they start to move, Ronon ducks back, saying there’s a patrol coming. Slightly panicked, McKay asks what they’re going to do; Sheppard says they’ve got no choice. Groaning piteously, McKay resigns himself to the fight. They open fire on the drones in both directions, Rodney crouching so that he can half-hide behind Ronon as he fires his handgun. Hey, he’s a damn good shot, too, especially considering how he’s squinting!) The drones in the immediate area taken care of, the guys wonder where to go when another approaching squad makes their decision for them; they go back the way they came. Unfortunately, it’s not long before they run into more drones and are eventually stunned 9with it, of course, taking several shots to get Ronon down). Baldy walks into view and tells his men to inform their queen of the intruders.
Rodney stands at the door to a cell, looking at the bars with a forlorn here we go again expression, asking “Now what?” (See, now, that other hive ship wasn’t so bad to be on after all, was it?) “Well, if I had to guess, I’d say we’ll be taken in front of the Queen who will demand answers and threaten to feed on us — at which time … I hope to have a plan to get us out of here,” John replies. (Haaaa! Great line, and fantastic delivery!) A door near the cell opens: it’s Teyla. Rodney says as much, prompting John to remind him to be quiet (so as to not tip off the Wraith as to who she is). Teyla orders a couple of drones to leave, and approaches the boyos. Addressing them each by name, she says she’s glad to see them but they shouldn’t have come after her. (She’s right, to an extent, but if they hadn’t come through the ‘Gate for her, she’d be floating in space as tiny particles right now, so we have to thank Sheppard somewhat for his stubbornness.) She warns them not to try to escape, assuring them that they are safe, as she is now the queen. Sheppard insists that they have a ‘jumper, so they can all go now, and is shocked when Teyla refuses. She explains that if, she stays long enough to solidify her position, it will ensure that the alliance accepts the treatment — otherwise, their efforts will have been for nothing. (Glad to see she’s come around on Todd’s plan — much like she expected Todd to do with theirs, as it makes sense.) Sheppard says he agrees to her plan — for now. As she walks away, we see that Baldy has been listening, from the shadows. (Just as I feared would eventually haoppen!)
Teyla finds Baldy in her quarters; she acts appropriately wary and affronted, and he explains that he let himself in, needing to talk to her in private. She demands he leave her alone, but he refuses, saying she is not his queen. She maintains her queenly charade, even after he says he saw her talking to the Atlantians, trying to play it off like she was interrogating the prisoners. He says he could hear what was said, and knows she is familiar with them, wondering how such a thing is possible, adding that he’d been suspicious of her from the start. He accuses her of “committing treachery after treachery”, saying he failed to defend his ship. (Which explains why he didn’t just accept that she has an alliance with the humans, seeing as she is now the Primary — he feels she does not have his ship’s best interests at heart, seeing as she sent all those dart pilots to their deaths, and seems to have won the battle with non-wraith help.) He draws his sword and attacks. She manages to get a strike in with the knife Todd had killed the Primary with, but is then knocked aside. (Well, at least she held her own, virtually unarmed, for a moment. I’m betting she doesn’t have the Wraith super-strength, either.) He makes a pretty little speech as he hold the sword to her throat (similarly to how she held a knife to Todd, earlier); the distraction allows Todd to stun, then kill him. (The neck-breaking is really unconvincing, but I’m glad — scenes that that always freak me out.) Teyla thanks Todd.
As they make their way down a corridor, Todd informs her that his hive has arrived, and that he’s ordered the Atlantians moved to it. (What about the cloaked ‘jumper??) She asks when she will join them. “As soon as this is all over,” Todd assures her. (I’m a little creeped out by that — it sounds ominous, like he plans to kill her!) Next we see them, Teyla is addressing a crowd of Wraith, explaining that she is returning to her own hive, but adding that this hive is under her protection. She goes on to say that she is leaving Todd behind, and they are to treat his word as her own. Satisfied that they will obey, she orders Todd to escort her to her transport. She hurries through the opening made in the ranks of the drones. (She should have walked slower, more confidently, methinks.) Alone again, Todd compliments her, saying that he believes all the crew’s suspicions to have been allayed. She forcefully reminds him of why she did all this: “to disseminate Dr Keller’s treatment to as many Wraith as possible.” “Of course … although I think it might be wise to let matters settle for a bit, first,” he suggests. (Yeah, it sounds like he has no intention of following through Still, it does make sense to wait a bit, so hopefully he’s not planning to go back on his word.) She asks, testily, how much time he’s talking; he assures her not long. “You’re not planning on going back on our agreement, are you?” she asks, eyes narrowed. He tries to mollify her, saying offhandedly that he just thinks that pressing such a radical agenda so soon after a change in command might “invite unwanted questions.” “Fine,” she agrees, adding as he turns away, thinking the discussion over, that he should keep in mind that she is still the hive’s queen, threatening to have him removed if he steps out of line. “Permanently.” She leaves him standing there, flexing his hands. (In fury? Hard to tell. I don’t think it was wise of Teyla to have taunted him — he could have just kill her right then, in that empty hall, and the other Wraith would have been none the wiser! I think it speaks well of him that he didn’t do just that …. Now, if he doesn’t want to worry about Teyla revealing the truth, now that she’s out of reach, he kind of has to seriously consider the treatment, doesn’t he? Besides, they could always test it on enemy Wraith first, so his hive wouldn’t be at risk, so he should be all for the possibility of ridding himself of a weakness with none of the risk ….)
Back in Atlantis, John, accompanied by Keller, visits Teyla in the infirmary, teasing her about her return to looking normal. Teyla tells Keller that she’s better — still sore, but for the most part “it’s gone.” Keller takes her leave, telling Teyla to make sure John doesn’t give her a hard time; John scowls in a Who, me? way as she goes. (Cute. *Grin*) Not satisfied with Teyla’s earlier answer, John asks if she’s okay, “No lingering desires to feed on anything?” “Only on solid food,” she assures him, not happy with the “blended concoctions” Keller has been giving her. Sheppard points out that it’s only been two weeks, suggesting she give it some time. (If it was indeed cosmetic surgery that Keller performed, I’m surprised it was so easy to alter Teyla back again, even if it did take two weeks. Why are there no cuts on her face?) John then hesitantly and awkwardly praises her for what she did. Shrugging it off, she asks if they’ve heard from Todd; Sheppard says not really, but that they’re supposed to talk to him about the treatment in a couple of weeks. (I wonder if they have to use Kenny as an intermediary, so the new hive doesn’t learn that he’s been consorting with humans?) Sheppard adds that Todd has supposedly “solidified his position as ‘leader’ of the alliance.” Teyla gets thoughtful, saying it strikes her as odd that Todd has become the leader of the entire alliance; Sheppard asks if she thinks that was his plan all along, and she confirms she has considered it. John says even so, he thinks they’re better off. (Good! I’m glad to hear him say that! I’m fairly sure Teyla and John are right, that the whole reason Todd had agreed to that meeting in the beginning in the first place was because he wanted Teyla’s aid in taking control of the alliance. I hope he is considering the treatment, though, for the reasons I mentioned earlier ….) John tells her to rest, saying that he’ll come back to check on her, and leaves. She looks thoughtfully at her palm — the one that would have been her feeding hand. (Just how far did she get altered, I wonder? Also, to put Todd in line, she’d have to go through an awful lot of trouble, getting turned into the queen again — perhaps Todd doesn’t think she’d find it worth the trouble ….)
I’m relieved that Todd didn’t pull some sort of uber-betrayal — based on something Mallozzi had said a while back, Joe, I was half afraid the Atlantians would end up enemies with Todd by the end! Also, while part of me is glad Kenny lived, I’m disappointed that we never got to see Rodney shout “Oh my god, they killed Kenny!”, with either Todd or even Sheppard saying “You bastards!” Maybe next time. At any rate, I’d give this ep a “10″, as I would to “Broken Ties”. “The Shrine”, of course, gets an “11″. I’d give “Search and Rescue” a “9″, and “Daedalus Variations” an “8″. Granted, I would only give “Whispers” a “7″, and “The Seed” and “Ghost in the Machine” each a “6″, but still, that’s a pretty strong season thus far, overall!
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See you all next week, for “Tracker”! Yay for Ronon/Rodney bonding!
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This was a much, much, much better episode than last week. I had no real expectations for it from the previews, but ended up liking it a lot. And, yeah, this has been a better-than-average season, excepting last week’s episode. Shame to kill it in its prime like this, but I fear the die is already cast.
I readily admit that, when I was first getting into the series last year, it took me a long while to warm up to Teyla — in fact, she was one of the reasons I didn’t watch the series when it first started.
Really ? I’ve liked Teyla since season 1 as she’s one of the only woman that the writers can write more or less properly (as in she can kick anyone’s butt without having to behave like a guy). In fact for a long while (until Sam came on board in season 4) she was the only woman I liked on the show
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Conversely, I had worried that the boyos wouldn’t be in it much, but they had a fairly firm presence too, without actually stealing the spotlight from Teyla and Todd.
Yep, same, it’s nice to see that, so far this season, they have been able to keep the team together when there is character development (as you might know already, I’m totally in love with the team, so it’s no wonder I worry about this for every single episode lol).
It turns out that the network’s decided that the intro was too long; they fear people may change channels during the wait,
Wow, I’m so [irony] impressed that this is the type of audience they are aiming for in SG:90210 !!! People who can’t stay in front of their screen for a one minute credits !!! No really, I’m really impressed. [/irony] I saw this movie once, it was really bad but, in it the whole humanity had become dumber than dumb… Seems we’re getting there already ! Congratulation humanity ! I’m so glad I’m never going to have children to see this…
They come upon a hive ship. Keller is awed, and deeply unsettled, by the size, never having seen one in person before.
I did think for a moment that she had seen Michael’s hive, but then I remembered that it might have been a cruiser only, I can’t remember in which episode that scene was.
The atmosphere, thanks to the candles, looks warm, and lacks the typical Wraith fog, reinforcing the feeling that Todd is sincere in his hospitality.)
I wouldn’t call Todd sincere, ever since the first episode where we saw him he’s always had his own agenda, own motivations, my first though when I saw this scene was : Hum, reminds me of the very first time we were inside a Hiveship in Rising, with the Queen tring to make Sumner “comfortable” before realising it wouldn’t work. My second thought was (and forgive me, I’m translating a french expression as I don’t know if there is an equivalent in English) : You can’t catch flies with vinegar.
(and that was my opinion before this episode, after that I’m even more certain that I was right ! lol)
Mind you I like Todd as a character, he’s the best Wraith they’ve ever written (for me he’s far above and way more interesting than Michael will ever be), Hayerdal is absolutely fantastic in his portrayal, but I would never ever trust him even one bit
They put Todd in irons when he visited them with a proposal — with good reason, to be certain, but why should they have expected any less of him regarding their visit?
I agree (morally) and yet not (practically). The thing is, no matter how much you like the character, you still can’t trust him, plus he can feed on you with his hands. If animals on earth were able to comunicate with us with words and to interact the way we are able to interact with the Wraith, I think they would very much like to put us in restrain every single time we visit them. It’s a simple matter of : Who’s the predator. We are not a natural predator of the Wraith, they have no reason to “fear” us on that point, on the other side, they EAT us, we have every reason to protect ourselves.
(Aww, come on, Shep, can’t you cut Todd a little slack already, especially after he saved Jeannie and his intel helped you find Beckett? Not to mention that he’s helped you in other instances and never betrayed you! Well, I suppose it’s best to be wary, especially since thus far any help Todd has given has been to his own advantage in some way, however vague; still, it makes me a bit sad, given how needlessly friendly he has always been.)
See I think you are mixing your liking of Hayerdal with the real Todd here. “he saved Jeannie” : yeah, after possibly pretending to be hungry and thus forcing them to feed him (in Common ground Todd has been a prisonner for years with apperently very very very little food and yet nothing like this appeard to have happened) with a human : he was already testing them. Yes it gave us a great McShep scene, but ultimately this was nothing more than blackmail.
He’s always been following his own personal agenda. Not once did he helped them without something in return or without something to be gained from them. Todd has never ever given anything for “free”.
As for the “needlessly friendly”, I don’t think we’ve watched the same episodes, or once again you’re seeing Hayerdal more than Todd. Yes he is not deprived of humour, but he’s not friendly, at least no more friendly than the farmer is with the sheeps he’s going to take to the butcher later : he likes them well enough but will not hesitate to kill them. I don’t call this friendly.
This, in a way, reminds me of those saying “awww, poor Michael” (because they think Connor Trinnear is cute) when ultimately the guy just gives you the choice between “die or be my slave”. Seeing the actor and seeing the character is not the same thing and I think way too many people are getting confused, especially when it comes to the “bad guys” (I don’t like that expression, but can’t find another one right now).
Just saw that you play Todd in a RPG : could that explain the fact that you only see him as a friendly helpful and ultimately non-dangerous character ? Are you seeing yourself in Todd more than seeing the real character ? (because non-lethal, friendly and helpful in my mind seem to apply a whole lot more to you than to him).
Todd’s second points out that the way they feed now is what gives the Wraith their strength and longevity. (I’m surprised they really care so much about these points, considering that they seem pretty ready to throw their lives away for the hive, and that they likewise seem unconcerned with the lives of other individual Wraith. If this plan would ensure the ultimate longevity of the hive as a whole, what matters the individual life spans?
By making the Wraith more “human like” they had to give them the exact same flaws : Individual thinking adn fear of death. If changing your diet meant that instead of living a potential 80 years you would only live 15, how do you think most humans would react ?
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What they are proposing is to make the Wraith mortals when they are seemingly immortals. Do you think Humans would give up immortality that easily ?
And concerning the strenght, given that they are in the middle of a war including with their own kind, I think it’s only fair to worry about being at least as strong as your ennemy, if not stronger. So when someone (should I remind here that humans are cattle for Wraiths ?) comes around to propse that you make yourself weaker, well objection is fair.
Once again, if cows were to propose us with a way of eating grass to stop eating them, but that this would also mean we only live for 15 years, I’m not quite sure people would be all that happy about the proposition (in any case, vegetarians and meat eater can’t even agree on anything to begin with).
And keep in mind that this proposition is also asking a whole race to change a way of life that has existed for millenias, fear of change is probably the strongest fear after fear of death.
Don’t misunderstand me though, I absolutely love the idea of the Wraiths not needing to feed on humans (even though I do think that instead they would enslave them to cultivate their food, but that’s another story), I think it’s the most acceptable solution they’ve come up with as it means that they will not exterminate the Wraiths as a race (genocide makes me very incomfortable, even when it comes to the “bad guys”). But I do think that like all change it’s not going to be easy, just like on Earth, it takes generations for the tinest of changes to be not only recognised but accepted. I think patience is the key word here, and that’s not something the modern humans have a lot of
(So capture an enemy Wraith and test it already! Besides, would Michael have been so keen to rid his hybrids of the need to feed if it meant they would be substantially weaker than the Wraith? I wouldn’t think so.
Wow wow wow, I seem to recall that to test stuff on prisonner is not really part of the Geneva Convention and SGA has been crossing that line quite enough as far as I’m concerned. As for Michael ? Given that he’s completely lost his mind and has become and egocentric arse bent to the domination of the galaxy, I wouldn’t really say that he cared much about anything but himself and his revenge against the universe. So nothing coming out of what he did should be easily trusted in any case.
Sheppard then gives the best argument: the Wraith are low on food, and this is their chance to do something about the problem. Todd still looks shocked, saying nothing.
Here I’m thinking that Todd has been reading the Earth news for some times and knows that in many countries people are dying from hunger, that in other countries other humans throw away half their plate in the trash, just because they can’t plan and prepare less food (or bother to put what’s left in the refregirator for the next meal !), and that every single time they’ve been asked to share their wealth all it has done is nothing. There isn’t enough food to feed everyone everywhere on earth either and yet somehow Todd still hasn’t seen any Earth news announcing that Mankind was going to change their way of life to make this better. And this only concerns one planet mind you, not a whole galaxy ! So yeah, I’m very well on Todd’s side when he’s just speechless about the lousy excuses.
Teyla asks why Todd shouldn’t, saying, “It is a reasonable offer.”
See my above point, it’s only a reasonnable offer from one side of the fence. There is still nothing reasonnable about it in the short term as far as the Wraiths are concerned.
Which is a nod to the fact that Carson was trying to “help” the Wraith. Me, I was always confused as to how making them human was his answer to relieving them of their “unnatural state — shouldn’t he have been trying to make them bugs again, then? Ah, well, I digress ….)
I’ll disgress too just to say that changing something scary (or unknown) into something familiar (or kill it if you can’t change it) is also a very familiar human trait, after all that’s what happened since the very begining of mankind : either you are similar to one tribe or you get eliminated. Happened during colonisation everywhere on the planet and is still happening today.
Pausing, Todd apologises, asking if he’s disturbing them (and seems genuine about asking, not sarcastic).
And once again I’m thinking we’re not watching the same person. To me, about every word coming out of Todd’s mouth to the humans is definitely sarcastic. He’s mocking them at all times, and so he should, given the fact that compared to him the humans are nothing more than newborns trying to teach him how to walk. I would be sarcastic too !
Ooh, with the Goa’uld! That hadn’t even occurred to me. He has a point, though: they’d need someone to gather and farm for them, after all. But were I one of their potential victims, I think I’d prefer farming and giving a tithe of fruit to being drained of life ….)
As bad as it seems, I also think the same. After all as long as you are alive there is still hope of freeing yourself from slavery (after all there are enough empty planets around that the Wraith could even learn to cultivate by themselves instead o fenslaving other to do so for them… but then that’s wishful thinking on my part :p), while being dead doesn’t help much lol.
(Another great bit of veiled exposition/lantern-hanging, exploring the “whys” and “why not”s and coming up with sound reasoning, as far as I’m concerned, for the why. Also a nice bit of interplay between these two good friends, and great exploration of the core of their characters!
Once again I agree, as much as I understand (and even agree with) John’s point of view, I also support Teyla’s. There is truth in what they both say, and if John had been the one risking his life he would not have thought twice about it, I like that they can remind him that if he’s entitled to behave like this then he shouldn’t be surprised that his friends, his family, the people that surrounds him, will act the same.
Surgery? This confuses me — I assumed it would be a matter of transforming her, genetically, similarly to the way John was in “Conversion”, or even as Michael was when Carson first altered him. Is this cosmetic surgery, then? How in the world do they give her that vein-y look and such, as Wraith have? I would have thought, if a retrovirus wasn’t doable, prosthetics would be the way to go ….)
I think this must be the biggest plot hole in all five SGA seasons. I never EVER fall asleep in front of a screen, but right then I thought that I must have had a 5 minutes’ coma or something. I was all “hum, okay, what are they doing exactly here ? Genetical manipulation ? Prosthetics ? Surgery ? What the hell is going on ?
Then I thought they would explain it later, but they never ever did. And when Teyla turned back they was no scars nor anything, so it couldn’t really have been surgery ? Or could it ? Or what ????
I mean if it had been about something else I would probably have minded (I don’t like even small plot holes), but not as much, but this ? Making Teyla look and sound like a Wraith ? It has so many implications, so many possibilites, so many everything, that it’s completely unacceptable that they didn’t even hint at to what was going on.
If they had given us even the tiniest hint and maybe expand on it in another episode it would have been okay, but this big nothing ? Pissed me off to no end. Because they never hint that we might one day get an explanation. I would rather they didn’t do the surgery scene at all because the way it was done was completely useless. What’s the point of showing it if you don’t give ANY explanation ??? Might as well say “Abracadabra” and have Teyla appear as a Wraith !
“I can’t! I’ve had like three cups of coffee; I’m completely wired!” (Only three?)
I think fandom has made Rodney a much much worse coffee drinker than he really is. Not drinking coffee myself, I had to rewatch a lot of episodes (ahahahah the torture :p) to realise that this was definitely not canon. Yes there are a couple of times where we see Rodney drink coffee, but never in the show does he hoard the stuff, nor drink 15 cups or anything like I’ve seen in fics (not that I mind, I think it’s a funny trait in fics, but still that makes it fanon
). And thus, it’s not surprising that as a normal coffee drinker (maybe the one cup in the morning and another one for lunch ?) Rodney could be “wired” after 3 successive cups. To be honest I think Rodney is wired enough as it is without any help, that he doesn’t need all that much to get even worse !
(Yup, for an ep I worried would be all Teyla, this ep has a lot of fantastic team interaction, exactly the sort of stuff I was looking most forward to this season!)
I was so glad that they had the whole team being here for her. After all she’s facing the ennemy while in a skin very not her own, has to act very unlike herself and it must be quite taxing. It’s a real pleasure to have the boys supporting her in this (plus just like you I love the team interaction).
(He’s polite, too! So the Wraith culture is very courtly, all prim and proper behavior masking back-stabbing, it seems ….)
I had the same reflection, reminded me a lot of the European past (from the many Caesars stabbing each others in the back (litteraly !) to the royalties of the 15th century (and other centuries too, I just had to chose one) poisoning each other to be the one to reign and so on…)
(Oooh, beautiful example of how Ronon defers to Sheppard even over his own instincts! He’s so very like a dog in some respects!)
Hum, I don’t think this came out the way you meant to (well I hope, because comparing Ronon to a dog is not very flattering). In my opinion Ronon is a good soldier who listen to his commanding officer (unlike the gals in Whispers, who had forgotten what a commanding officier was, they should take a few lessons with Ronon), the way it is supposed to be in the military. Add to that the fact that Sheppard is one of the very few that has Ronon’s respect adn you get that beautiful interaction.
when Todd suddenly draws a knife and stabs it into the Primary’s neck, killing her! (Whoa, I wasn’t expecting hat!!
I was not at all surprised, after all I’ve already established that Todd only ever does something “for” the humans according to his own agenda. As soon as he had the knife out I knew we would finally get to see his plan, which for him was clearly the one and only plan all along.
(Interesting that males cannot assume power, no matter if they are strong enough to kill a queen, and are treated as a lower order despite being powerful leaders when the queen is not present. And yet they have the power to decide if a queen is worthy and execute her for failure t meet standards, in a bizarre sort of checks and balances.
This is very bee-like or ant-like, so nothing new. But I don’t really understand the second point you are making though (the power to decide if a queen is worthy). Todd doesn’t kill her because he thinks she’s not worthy, he kills her because he wants the power, it has nothing to do with being worthy or not.
Todd goes on to remind her that Wraith culture is different from that of humans. (And how wonderful that he is insightful enough to understand this and respect the fact!)
Hum, yeah, not really all that much so on this one. Wraith culture is different from American culture, but other cultures on Earth (now and in the past) have worked or are working this way, or close enough.
She’s probably wondering what would happen if there were some who didn’t feel they needed a Queen. Me, I’m wondering if Todd is an exception, or does he want a queen too?
He very obvioulsy don’t care about a queen at all. All he want is, once again, the power. And I don’t think he’s really alone in this, see how all the hives have a male Wraith owning them ? The queen might be the “official” representative, but in truth the power is in the hands of those captains (reminded me of the Queen of England, who’s only there for show as she has no power to decide anything). I don’t think he’s all that much of an exception either, maybe compared to the clone yes, but most “captains” seems to be fairly independant and only respond to the queen because she’s supposed to be the one in charge.
But will they? I want to believe they will, given his honourable track record, but will Todd really follow through, or is he only saying so to mollify Teyla now? Todd very much strikes me as the type who will do whatever is necessary to reach an end result that he perceives as right, a sort of ends justify the means sort of guy, but with good intentions. Like he’ll be honourable if the situation allows, but wouldn’t allow the desire to be honourable interfere with getting the job done ….)
As soon as the plan changed for the very first time it became obvious that NO, Todd had no plan for any change appart from himself getting the power in the end. No matter how much you want to believe he’s honorable and has good intention, he is all about decieving the humans, over and over and over and over again just to get what he wants. And that’s why he’s such a great villain, he keeps outsmarting them but just like you, because of some of his human qualities (humour for example), they can’t get it in their head that he’s never going to do anything for them until it has a great potential for him before all. He’s got no interest in the humans except for whatever they can bring him to serve his plans. And he’s right to think that way, after all in 200 years he could still be alive while the expedition might have been forgotten or whatever by then. Because they can live for such a long time, there is no reason why the Wraiths should worry about a few dozens years. To take it even further, in 10000 years, they might still be at it in the Pegasus Galaxy, while there might not be any human left on Earth. Why should they even want to put themselves to our level ?
Truthfully, I have to wonder if she’s lost it — she’ll negate the whole point of the mission if she gets them killed!)
The way I see it, she has the possiblity of not only stopping a culling but also destroy a hive in the process. From someone who has been living under those very menaces for so long, it’s only fair that she wants to acts. So yes, she does loose it a bit in the fact that it becomes apparent that she might also die in the process, but I think that by that point in her mind it has become worth it in a way. It’s like this one hive that she’s attacking has suddenly become a representation of all that she hates and she becomes overwhelmed by that desire to destroy it at any cost. In her mind the mission has probably taken a far seat in that moment, and she’s become more of an angel of revenge.
(He seems genuinely upset by the prospect, which makes him all the more endearing to me; he does seem to genuinely care about his race, and would prefer to make peace when possible, it seems.)
True, he does care about the Wraith as a race, he might also be highly distubed by the realisation that by putting some of the “cattle” in a powerful position, they might rightfully decide to retaliate. It also disturbs his plan to take power if they are discovered.
Rodney admits he was just thinking they would be great for a situation like this. (Sorry, but I have to do it: *ROFL!!* I couldn’t blame Sheppard if he decided to smack Rodney upside the head then, but instead he just moves on — good for him.)
Hahahaha, this was so Rodney and his brain ! Precious scene
(Gotta love those Star Wars sort of maneuvers! Not to mention the fact that the special effects here are better than in most movies — it’s a really fantastic space battle!)
I know !! Can you believe they didn’t won the special effects award ? I love SGA space battles, they always look absolutely fantastic
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“Well, if I had to guess, I’d say we’ll be taken in front of the Queen who will demand answers and threaten to feed on us — at which time … I hope to have a plan to get us out of here,” John replies. (Haaaa! Great line, and fantastic delivery!)
Hahahaha, it’s become so frequent for them to get captured on a Wraith ship that they know have habits about it ! lol ! I’m sure has taken to wear kneepads under his trousers, just so he could finally kneel without risking his kneecaps constantly :p.
(Glad to see she’s come around on Todd’s plan — much like she expected Todd to do with theirs, as it makes sense.)
At that point I did wonder how naive she could keep on being. But well, in the interest of the episode we need her to have no clue so…
“Of course … although I think it might be wise to let matters settle for a bit, first,” he suggests. (Yeah, it sounds like he has no intention of following through Still, it does make sense to wait a bit, so hopefully he’s not planning to go back on his word.)
And I see you keep on being as naive as the Atlantian lol. It would be cute if it wasn’t so scary in a way :p.
Teyla gets thoughtful, saying it strikes her as odd that Todd has become the leader of the entire alliance; Sheppard asks if she thinks that was his plan all along, and she confirms she has considered it. John says even so, he thinks they’re better off. (Good! I’m glad to hear him say that! I’m fairly sure Teyla and John are right, that the whole reason Todd had agreed to that meeting in the beginning in the first place was because he wanted Teyla’s aid in taking control of the alliance. I hope he is considering the treatment, though, for the reasons I mentioned earlier ….)
Although I agree on the fact that they are “better off” with Todd as a leader than with the previous queen, I still think Todd should not do anything about that treatment. Putting myself in Wraith shoes I know I wouldn’t. If anything I would try to give the treatment to my enemy Wraiths as to make them an easier target and get rid of them :p.
I’m disappointed that we never got to see Rodney shout “Oh my god, they killed Kenny!”
You know I thought the same ! hehehe, but then I thought that maybe southpark had copyrighted the sentence or something…
All in all I liked this episode a lot. It was interesting to see more of Todd (even if we both see him in complete and opposite ways lol) and I was very happy about all the “team-time” we had
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@ Lysambre:
>>and forgive me, I’m translating a french expression as I don’t know if there is an equivalent in English) : You can’t catch flies with vinegar.<>Hum, I don’t think this came out the way you meant to (well I hope, because comparing Ronon to a dog is not very flattering).<<
It depends on the context of course, but dogs are loveable, loyal, reasonably inteligent, and good at their jobs, if they have jobs. Most people like dogs. In english comparing someone to a dog isnt’ quite the insult it might be in, say, the Bible (Where it’s always an insult), or a pirate movie (Where it’s generally an affectionate insult), or in some country where dogs are food.
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Thanks for this clarification, I admit that expressions are definitely not my best point in english
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Lysambre said …
Really ? I’ve liked Teyla since season 1 as she’s one of the only woman that the writers can write more or less properly (as in she can kick anyone’s butt without having to behave like a guy). In fact for a long while (until Sam came on board in season 4) she was the only woman I liked on the show
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Heh, she was too stiff for me, her speech patterns grated on me, and she seemed kind of two-dimensional as the wise native. And on a shallow note, that wig did not help — she looked very strange to me, and it was off-putting. I don’t get why they couldn’t let Luttrel keep her natural hair. But I only watche dthe show superficially in the beginning — I;ve come to like early teyla marginally bnetter now that I have become a fan. Marginally being the keyword.
I did think for a moment that she had seen Michael’s hive, but then I remembered that it might have been a cruiser only, I can’t remember in which episode that scene was.
It was a cruiser, yes. “Search & Rescue”
I wouldn’t call Todd sincere, ever since the first episode where we saw him he’s always had his own agenda, own motivations, my first though when I saw this scene was : Hum, reminds me of the very first time we were inside a Hiveship in Rising, with the Queen tring to make Sumner “comfortable” before realising it wouldn’t work.
The colouring in the queen scene was *very* cold, though, all blues & purples, while this was warm yellows and oranges. I did learn *something* from 9 years of art classes. XD
If animals on earth were able to comunicate with us with words and to interact the way we are able to interact with the Wraith, I think they would very much like to put us in restrain every single time we visit them. It’s a simple matter of : Who’s the predator. We are not a natural predator of the Wraith, they have no reason to “fear” us on that point, on the other side, they EAT us, we have every reason to protect ourselves.
Point taken. But the question wasn’t why they should want to put Todd in restraints, which I can certainly see, but why they shouldn;t expect to be treated as they had treated him, from *his* perspective. They may feel justified in having done it, but they should also expect equal treatment — they set the example/precedent for behavior. And since they were treated *better* than they had (understandably) treated him, I’m puzzled as to why they should complain when they could, I feel, very well have expected worse.
(Aww, come on, Shep, can’t you cut Todd a little slack already, especially after he saved Jeannie and his intel helped you find Beckett? Not to mention that he’s helped you in other instances and never betrayed you! Well, I suppose it’s best to be wary, especially since thus far any help Todd has given has been to his own advantage in some way, however vague; still, it makes me a bit sad, given how needlessly friendly he has always been.)
See I think you are mixing your liking of Hayerdal with the real Todd here. “he saved Jeannie” : yeah, after possibly pretending to be hungry and thus forcing them to feed him (in Common ground Todd has been a prisonner for years with apperently very very very little food and yet nothing like this appeard to have happened) with a human : he was already testing them. Yes it gave us a great McShep scene, but ultimately this was nothing more than blackmail.
He’s always been following his own personal agenda. Not once did he helped them without something in return or without something to be gained from them. Todd has never ever given anything for “free”.
Well, I did concede already that he did get *something* out of it, as I said in teh passage yu quoted.
But he didn’t know for *sure* that he would — he didn’t strike a deal first, and did help for a while before collapsing. he looked genuinely ill, form the moment they brought him through the gate, when he had no idea they needed his aid — for all he knew at *that* point, they could have intended to dissect him. Even if he hoped they would be forced to feed hum, I don’t think he was faking needing food.
As for the “needlessly friendly”, I don’t think we’ve watched the same episodes, or once again you’re seeing Hayerdal more than Todd. Yes he is not deprived of humour, but he’s not friendly, at least no more friendly than the farmer is with the sheeps he’s going to take to the butcher later : he likes them well enough but will not hesitate to kill them. I don’t call this friendly.
This, in a way, reminds me of those saying “awww, poor Michael” (because they think Connor Trinnear is cute) when ultimately the guy just gives you the choice between “die or be my slave”. Seeing the actor and seeing the character is not the same thing and I think way too many people are getting confused, especially when it comes to the “bad guys” (I don’t like that expression, but can’t find another one right now).
It was this role that made me *really like* Heyerdahl, though, not the other way around — I saw him as the character first. If what I’m seeing is Heyerdalh and not the character, then that makes him a poor actor. And Joe M himself has basically said he consoders Todd to be more dimensional, offering us views of Wraith psyche we hadn’t seen before and making them more grey. I think Todd can have an agenda but still be naturally friendly whenever possible — the one does not preclude the other. And from the very first time we saw him, when I had no idea who the actor was, he struck me as “nicer” – other wraith seem to be over-the-top GRRR and catty, while he seems to have a natural scientific curiosity regarding humans. He could have left Sheppard for dead, and he didn’t. That established from the beginning that he has a sense of honour. He has always been sort of upbeat and chipper, in non-humopurous instances, where other Wraith are cranky. So yeah, I do percieve that as fiendly. Maybe I am wrong — butmaybe I’m right.
You may just as easily be perciving him as more evil than he is because of past perceptins of the Wraith. Only the writers know for sure — and each of them may percieve him differently from each other as well. Me, I think it makes more sense for the wraith to be at least somewhat varied in temperment. Some farmers have a soft spot for certain animals in their keeping even as they slaughter others.
Just saw that you play Todd in a RPG : could that explain the fact that you only see him as a friendly helpful and ultimately non-dangerous character ? Are you seeing yourself in Todd more than seeing the real character ? (because non-lethal, friendly and helpful in my mind seem to apply a whole lot more to you than to him).
Only in the sense thatI play Todd BECAUSE I felt a resonance with his character, sameas how I play Rodney — seeing the character as I do is *WHY* I play him, not the other way around. I play him *bacause* he stuck me as a wraith that isn;t so cut-and-dry evil, one capable of thinking outside of the box compared to the other Wraith we’ve seen.
By making the Wraith more “human like” they had to give them the exact same flaws : Individual thinking adn fear of death. If changing your diet meant that instead of living a potential 80 years you would only live 15, how do you think most humans would react ?
What they are proposing is to make the Wraith mortals when they are seemingly immortals. Do you think Humans would give up immortality that easily ?
They made a point in this ep of pointing out to us that their culture, n a number of ways, is drastically difefrent form our own, though. I asked those questions looking at them from the perspective of a hive mentality. (The study of animal behaviorism is a hobby of mine.)
And concerning the strenght, given that they are in the middle of a war including with their own kind, I think it’s only fair to worry about being at least as strong as your ennemy, if not stronger. So when someone (should I remind here that humans are cattle for Wraiths ?) comes around to propse that you make yourself weaker, well objection is fair.
That’s a good explanation.
Once again, if cows were to propose us with a way of eating grass to stop eating them, but that this would also mean we only live for 15 years, I’m not quite sure people would be all that happy about the proposition (in any case, vegetarians and meat eater can’t even agree on anything to begin with).
Yeah, but if you had a hive mentality, and if eating the grass would give you a profound tactical advantage — namely that you’d sudenly have an endless food supply that ould ensure that your hive would survive for years to come, whereas in your current state of being it looked like your hive would very soon starve right out of existence? If you have a hive mentailty, your hive’s survival/longevity comes before your own — especially if you’d probably die soon of starvation yourself anyway …
And keep in mind that this proposition is also asking a whole race to change a way of life that has existed for millenias, fear of change is probably the strongest fear after fear of death.
Except that, save for that exception in Broken Ties, Wraith have on numerous occasions shown themselves to be utterly unafraid of death as they died (at least as it’s delivered by humans — I imagine death by queen is often a painful experience they would rather avoid), which was why I posed the question in the first place.
Most times we’ve seen one die, they’ve been all “You may have killed me but my people will kill yours” and died with a grin …
But I do think that like all change it’s not going to be easy, just like on Earth, it takes generations for the tinest of changes to be not only recognised but accepted. I think patience is the key word here, and that’s not something the modern humans have a lot of
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Agreed (that’s how I played it, in an AU it took years to happen). And Agreed that humans are impatient. XD
Wow wow wow, I seem to recall that to test stuff on prisonner is not really part of the Geneva Convention and SGA has been crossing that line quite enough as far as I’m concerned. As for Michael ? Given that he’s completely lost his mind and has become and egocentric arse bent to the domination of the galaxy, I wouldn’t really say that he cared much about anything but himself and his revenge against the universe. So nothing coming out of what he did should be easily trusted in any case.
I can’t say the testing on the enemy exactly made me happy either, but as Sheppard pointed out before, the Wraith aren’t part of the Geneva convention (even here on Earth, those who are not members don’t recieve it’s protections). And I was thinking of it from Todd’s hive’s perspective, that they the hive could test it on their enemies, not specifically Keller.
And it doesn’t make sense to me from Michael’s perspective to deliberatley weaken his own force — it wouldn’t servve his end to do so. His group took over the galaxyyin the other timeline — they couldn’t have been tooooo weak, if they managed that.
See my above point, it’s only a reasonnable offer from one side of the fence. There is still nothing reasonnable about it in the short term as far as the Wraiths are concerned.
Er, I didn’t quite get the reasoning in that one, I’m afraid you lost me there. XD
And once again I’m thinking we’re not watching the same person. To me, about every word coming out of Todd’s mouth to the humans is definitely sarcastic. He’s mocking them at all times, and so he should, given the fact that compared to him the humans are nothing more than newborns trying to teach him how to walk. I would be sarcastic too !
Body language and vocal tonalisation-wise, he doesn’t come across this way to me at all there. In other instances yes, but not there, and not in several other instances. I’m afriad we’ll just have to agree that we do seem to be watcching different shows there. XD (Happily, if I am totally wrong, I’m not alone, as I know others who interpret him as I do. I can go be delusional with them, then.)
Surgery? This confuses me — I assumed it would be a matter of transforming her, genetically, similarly to the way John was in “Conversion”, or even as Michael was when Carson first altered him. Is this cosmetic surgery, then? How in the world do they give her that vein-y look and such, as Wraith have? I would have thought, if a retrovirus wasn’t doable, prosthetics would be the way to go ….)
If they had given us even the tiniest hint and maybe expand on it in another episode it would have been okay, but this big nothing ? Pissed me off to no end. Because they never hint that we might one day get an explanation. I would rather they didn’t do the surgery scene at all because the way it was done was completely useless. What’s the point of showing it if you don’t give ANY explanation ??? Might as well say “Abracadabra” and have Teyla appear as a Wraith !
Yeah, that’s the plot point that I had the biggest problem with in the ep too.
“I can’t! I’ve had like three cups of coffee; I’m completely wired!” (Only three?)
I think fandom has made Rodney a much much worse coffee drinker than he really is. Not drinking coffee myself, I had to rewatch a lot of episodes (ahahahah the torture :p) to realise that this was definitely not canon. Yes there are a couple of times where we see Rodney drink coffee, but never in the show does he hoard the stuff, nor drink 15 cups or anything like I’ve seen in fics (not that I mind, I think it’s a funny trait in fics, but still that makes it fanon ). And thus, it’s not surprising that as a normal coffee drinker (maybe the one cup in the morning and another one for lunch ?) Rodney could be “wired” after 3 successive cups. To be honest I think Rodney is wired enough as it is without any help, that he doesn’t need all that much to get even worse !
LOL, true, I think they had him mention the cofee supply in an ep, and then there was the siege, where he kept hitting Carson up for stimulants. Add that to personal experience with science geeks, though, and it’s not an unreasonable assumption that he would be a heavy coffee drinker, especially with all his late nights. My dad was a 12-cups-a-day drinker for 20 years before it gave him such heart problems he almost never has it now.
Hum, I don’t think this came out the way you meant to (well I hope, because comparing Ronon to a dog is not very flattering).
SDear, did you forget my name? I’ve studied wolf behavior for over twenty-five years and I adore dogs — believe me, it was a compliment! *G*
I was not at all surprised, after all I’ve already established that Todd only ever does something “for” the humans according to his own agenda. As soon as he had the knife out I knew we would finally get to see his plan, which for him was clearly the one and only plan all along.
I meant in the context that I hadn’t expected the Primary to bite it, at leass not so soon, I thought the writers would play with her longer. It’s too bad, I thought she was interesting.
This is very bee-like or ant-like, so nothing new. But I don’t really understand the second point you are making though (the power to decide if a queen is worthy). Todd doesn’t kill her because he thinks she’s not worthy, he kills her because he wants the power, it has nothing to do with being worthy or not.
Todd said that she had to convince the rest of the hive that she was a strong queen, or they (Baldy and crew)would kill her. Therefore, it’s by their discrestion that a queen lives.
He very obvioulsy don’t care about a queen at all. All he want is, once again, the power. And I don’t think he’s really alone in this, see how all the hives have a male Wraith owning them ? The queen might be the “official” representative, but in truth the power is in the hands of those captains (reminded me of the Queen of England, who’s only there for show as she has no power to decide anything). I don’t think he’s all that much of an exception either, maybe compared to the clone yes, but most “captains” seems to be fairly independant and only respond to the queen because she’s supposed to be the one in charge.
Except that he said the Wraith want a queen lead them, which suggests that wanting one is the norm. Bees go a little nuts if you kill their queen — they get kind of lost, and I suspect the wraith are the same. Actually, the dog analogy works well here — many non-alpha dogs get nervous when their human leader is absent. They can operate just fine so long as the human is in earshot — the human just being there is a calming influence, and an absence distracts them from everything, even eating. Their status quoe is upset.
I still feel that Todd seemed saddened by the loss of his queen, and was impressed by Teyla, but yes, I do agree that control was his ultimate goal, even if I may disagree about the motive. I would even go as far to say thatthe prrior queen was a puppet — but that doesn’t preclude him having afffection for her, as much as his people can feel such.
As soon as the plan changed for the very first time it became obvious that NO, Todd had no plan for any change appart from himself getting the power in the end. No matter how much you want to believe he’s honorable and has good intention, he is all about decieving the humans, over and over and over and over again just to get what he wants. And that’s why he’s such a great villain, he keeps outsmarting them but just like you, because of some of his human qualities (humour for example), they can’t get it in their head that he’s never going to do anything for them until it has a great potential for him before all. He’s got no interest in the humans except for whatever they can bring him to serve his plans. And he’s right to think that way, after all in 200 years he could still be alive while the expedition might have been forgotten or whatever by then. Because they can live for such a long time, there is no reason why the Wraiths should worry about a few dozens years. To take it even further, in 10000 years, they might still be at it in the Pegasus Galaxy, while there might not be any human left on Earth. Why should they even want to put themselves to our level ?
Okay, again, we’ll have to agree to disagree. I think he has more depth than that — particulalry since JoeM himsalf has basically said so. It may be “obvious” to you maybe, and you have a right to your perspective, but uh, I feel like you’re on the verge of calling me blind idiot fangirl now, and I do think there’s more to my opinions than just emotional whims. I think Todd can have multiple reasons for the things he does, just like many other characters do, and can change his needs/opinions as the situations change/more options become available. He can add to his plans, or drop ideas.
I’m not saying you’re absolutely wrong, but I do think there’s a good chance I’m not wrong, that it’s not so “obvious”. But if he is as devious and manipulative and uninterested in befriending humanity as you say? Then to me he really *would* be a black-and-white, 2-dimensional villain, and would lose all appeal for me. I mean, his appeal is that he makes the Wraith *not* so cookie-cutter and *not* automatically “evil”, that they *are* capable of compassion. Even wolves have been shown to befriend other animals now and then.
I also think the writers leave it deliberately open-ended so that people *can* take away what would best satisfy them from it, so that you CAN see him as a villain and yet I can see him as something else.
And I see you keep on being as naive as the Atlantian lol. It would be cute if it wasn’t so scary in a way :p.
Okay, I’m sorry, but you’re getting condescending there and I’m getting offended. >:(
Although I agree on the fact that they are “better off” with Todd as a leader than with the previous queen, I still think Todd should not do anything about that treatment. Putting myself in Wraith shoes I know I wouldn’t. If anything I would try to give the treatment to my enemy Wraiths as to make them an easier target and get rid of them :p.
Unless the treatment doesn’t diminish their other abilities — they don’t know either way yet. If it doesn’t, or it’s only very slight, then not needing to feed on humans gives them a significant tactical advantage — they will be well-fed and therefore stronger than starving wraith ….
Okay, I’m sorry, but you’re getting condescending there and I’m getting offended. >:(
Sorry about that, I re-read myself and did realise indeed that I went off definitely too strong, I apologise.
As I said at the end (probably once I had calmed down a bit from the excitement :/) I’m definitely fine with us not seeing the same things in Todd, and in fact I think this is why he’s such an interesting character. If many of us see many different things in him it does mean that, as you said, he’s made of many layers.
Once I get excited about something I tend to forget than not everybody has to see things the way I do, so once again, my apologies.
@lysambre ~ Forgiven.
@ Lysambre Says:
>>Thanks for this clarification, I admit that expressions are definitely not my best point in english
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Not a problem. Idiomatic languages are tricky, even for people who grew up speaking them.
So why do I have a werid little icon suddenly? I never chose one…
Anyone who doesn’t have a gravatar (you can get one for free at gravatar.com) automatically gets a cool little monster icon.
Just to mix things up.