Comments on: Cylon Says – BSG: The Hub

By: Hoobajoobah

Hoobajoobah — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 01:18:01 +0000

Kickass! Happy to be of use!

By: Alpha-Girl

Alpha-Girl — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 00:02:39 +0000

Now that you’ve pointed me in that direction, I’m seeing more an more parallels between the two. I’m reaching for some of them, but others are just blatant. That exploration will be posted shortly.

By: Hoobajoobah

Hoobajoobah — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:29:13 +0000

Changing the subject slightly here: I've poked around online a bit and noticed that in general, most people seem a bit down on this final season of BG, it's meandering action, squandered logic, and general lack of "The Magic" that it had previously. What's a little surprising to me is that no one seems to have thought of comparing the new BG's final season to the final season of another once-beloved SF show that somehow utterly lost "The Magic" in it's final year. I'm talking about that crappy final season of "Babylon 5" of course.

I can even make paralells: The most obvious is Baltar's Culty Love-Nest in the bowels of the ship, which is a close analogue to Byron's Culty Love-Nest in Brown Sector of Babylon 5. There's others too, though: former-captain Lee Adama becoming the president just like former-captain Sheridan became the president in B5, etc.

I'm sure it's mostly just coincidence, not to be taken too seriously, but I think it might be worlt at least a mention. Whadya' say, Alpha-Girl? Did you want to start an article about the BG4.0/B55.0 similarities? As no one but me seems to have noticed it (Or at least no one who can type), it could be a Pink Raygun exclusive, and I'd much rather you guys have first crack at it than those irritating jackasses over at IO9.

By: Hoobajoobah

Hoobajoobah — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:14:18 +0000

[Laughing] Ok, you win.

By: Alpha-Girl

Alpha-Girl — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 23:15:17 +0000

God help us if they go the way of the Dadaists (but at least we’ll have something to pee in).

By: Hoobajoobah

Hoobajoobah — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 18:22:48 +0000

@Melissa- Yeah, I think that’s the case, at least the subjective reasoning behind it. (Objectively, it’s a plot device to wrap things up quickly). They’ve made one or two furtive mentions of “The Programmers,” so I’m assuming The Programmers set up the whole Cylon society, and didn’t give them all their secrets. Of course that throws in a whole ‘nother batch of confusion, doesn’t it? I mean, if someone re-built the Cylons, then they really didn’t evolve, and everything we know about them is a gross misrepresentation of the facts.

@Alpha-Girl- It’s ok, I forgive you. And you’re right, actually, there’s a certain minimalism in all classic TV SF, where it’s *obvious* that Captain Kirk is on a ship made out of plywood, or that Captain Sheridan’s office furniature came from Sears, but we have to kind of squint mentally and agree not to see the cracks in order to see the overall consensual halucination. (And if you ever wondered what the difference between Fen and Danes is, that’s it right there: We agree to overlook the shoddyness, they don’t).

I just hope they stay in impressionism, and don’t make an ill-advised switch to Jackson Polack-styled abstracts. (There: I’ll see your pretention and raise you one!)

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By: Melissa

Melissa — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 16:05:18 +0000

My theory (which is, I’ll admit, a thin one) is that maybe the Cylons don’t have plans for
the Resurrection ship because it was something built with technology they either never
had or don’t have any longer. Perhaps it was built by someone who knew more than they
do and gave it to them but never told them how to build another one. That could explain
why they only had the one Resurrection ship. Of coures I’m probably just reaching at
straws here, trying to make sense of something that really doesn’t make sense.

By: bob

bob — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 14:44:44 +0000

WTF? Guess I will wait!

By: Rhea Dee

Rhea Dee — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 13:16:02 +0000

I’m glad that BSG took a stab at humor at least.

By: Rhea Dee

Rhea Dee — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 13:15:39 +0000

I’m glad that BSG took a stab a humor at least.

By: Hoobajoobah

Hoobajoobah — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 12:06:50 +0000

Let’s face it: this has been a sloppy show since day one. It’s got more dangling plot threads than Melrose Place; more random left turns than an elderly person on US A1A on a sunday afternoon, and just about as little sense of direction as to where it’s going. And of course it frequently breaks it’s own rules, either out of laziness (“The Cylons Have A Plan”) or just a lack of paying attention to it’s own backstory (“Adama as Commander of the Vaylkirie”). As a result, I wasn’t at all surprised when Tigh knocked up another cylon, despite that being impossible, or the Hybrid responding to direct questions and instructions from Baltar (“Shhhhhhhh!” Which, I have to admit, made me laugh pretty hard).

But the train-wreck-in-progress gave the show an indefineable kind of energy, as though you were watching something that really could come apart at the seams at any moment, so it was hard for me to stop viewing. Now, however, it does seem like Moore and Eick have kind of lost their passion for the story, and it’s lost that “Man, I hope these schizos can keep it together so I can see the end of the story” quality.

By: Alpha-Girl

Alpha-Girl — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 10:49:37 +0000

@Melissa: I had that thought, too. Like maybe the resurrection hub was something left over from the last time this happened (you know how Leoben kept saying "all of this has happened before").

@Hoobajoobah: This thing has taken on the air of a an impressionist painting – Moore and Eick are putting dabs out there and if we stand far enough away, our brains will try to make sense of it.

That was the most pretentious thing I've written today.